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Rumor mill: The next generation of GeForce RTX GPUs is expected to be unveiled soon, with Nvidia introducing both desktop and laptop versions of its new gaming powerhouse chips. However, things could take an unusual turn for the gaming laptops that will carry the latest graphics chips.

Following months of rumors and unconfirmed speculation, Nvidia is anticipated to launch its Blackwell-based gaming GPUs during CES 2025. The AI company is also expected to reveal details about the laptop version of the GeForce RTX 50 series, which, according to a roadmap leaked earlier this year, will include five different configurations.

Some information is circulating about upcoming gaming laptops, suggesting that they will likely pair the new-gen GPUs with older Intel and AMD CPUs. Well-known Chinese leaker "Golden Pig Upgrade" recently shared that Nvidia's next-gen notebook platform will primarily ship with "N-1" or even "N-2" generation CPUs rather than the latest x86 chips.

According to the leaker, it's unlikely that a brand-new laptop using Intel's 13th-gen Core CPUs will be released in 2025. Instead, GeForce RTX 50 GPUs are expected to pair with 14th Gen Core-HX or Zen 4 chips. Newer multicore hybrid CPUs, particularly Intel's Core Ultra 200 series, may not perform as well as Raptor Lake chips in gaming workloads, and the upcoming Core Ultra 200 "Arrow Lake" CPUs aren't expected to perform much better.

A brand-new laptop using Intel's 13th-gen Core CPUs in 2025 is unlikely, the Chinese leaker said, which means GeForce RTX 50 GPUs should mostly come together with 14th-gen Core-HX or Zen 4 chips. AMD's Ryzen AI 300 chips and Intel's Core Ultra "Arrow Lake" CPUs aren't as good as Raptor Lake chips in gaming workloads apparently, or at least not good enough to justify a 2x price premium on the builds.

Another possible explanation could hide in a simple timing issue. Nvidia had to delay production of Blackwell GPUs for AI machines due to some design flaws, and development of the GeForce RTX 50 series could have been impacted as well. Most Blackwell AI GPUs are already sold out before coming out of TSMC's manufacturing lines.

If Golden Pig Upgrade's rumor proves accurate, the next gaming laptops may emphasize CPUs with more performance cores and higher TDP levels. AMD is also expected to launch a Strix Halo mobile APU with a powerful, discrete-like GPU. However, such a product would make little sense when paired with a GeForce RTX 50 chip.

Current rumors about the RTX 50 series indicate that the 5090 will be incredibly powerful, with the 5080 coming in at about half the performance and specifications. Thus, it'd make sense if the mobile lineup starts at the 5080 GPU level. Nvidia is reportedly moving to GDDR7 memory for the Blackwell GeForce, which may also extend to its mobile GPUs.

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GeForce RTX 50 gaming laptops will likely be paired with previous-gen CPUs

 
The constrain is more on TSMC to produce sufficient chips for all their big customers. Historically, AMD have struggled to provide sufficient supply of mobile CPUs since most of their fab allocation goes to the more lucrative data center chips. With Intel moving their entire generation of CPUs to TSMC, I am pretty sure they are facing the same supply challenges. Since Lunar Lake was announced last month to now, I only saw like 2 brands offering 1 model each with Lunar Lake chips. While I understand that it takes time for supply to catch up with demand, I feel it is already taking longer than usual to see Intel based laptops hitting retail. The next thing is the lackluster gaming performance on Arrow Lake, which is kind of strange when you advertise the laptop as "gaming grade". Workstation class laptops may stand to benefit from Arrow Lake mobile chips.
 
Intel should have started looking for ways to sell their CPUs cheaper when their progress stalled.
Now they release CPUs that cost more and more while offering very little improvement.
 
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The constrain is more on TSMC to produce sufficient chips for all their big customers. Historically, AMD have struggled to provide sufficient supply of mobile CPUs since most of their fab allocation goes to the more lucrative data center chips. With Intel moving their entire generation of CPUs to TSMC, I am pretty sure they are facing the same supply challenges. Since Lunar Lake was announced last month to now, I only saw like 2 brands offering 1 model each with Lunar Lake chips. While I understand that it takes time for supply to catch up with demand, I feel it is already taking longer than usual to see Intel based laptops hitting retail. The next thing is the lackluster gaming performance on Arrow Lake, which is kind of strange when you advertise the laptop as "gaming grade". Workstation class laptops may stand to benefit from Arrow Lake mobile chips.
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The problem with intel, right now, is they have far too many chips. You have arrow lake, you have lunar lake, you have meteor lake. Why? Why do they need THREE different mobile lineups at the same time? And you still have 14,13, and 12th gen devices being made today, hell I think dell still has 11th gen models in production.

Doesnt matter how much production you have if youre making this many different designs at once.
 
There are many examples of "new" laptops launched with previous gen CPU and/or GPU already... how is this news?
 
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Isn't this usually the case first few months of new GPU gen anyway?

As it was I missed out (but don't feel I lost) last time around anyway.
To elaborate... was interested in a new Legion laptop. Ideally an RTX 4080 one as the 4070 models vs my previous 3070ti Legion with 8Gb VRAM (again) wasn't that big an uplift (mainly due to 8Gb at 1440p, really?)
Had but two CPU options initially, the mobile 14900 and a Ryzen 7 series. Already knew at that point the i9 was a hot, sweaty pig in desktops and what with laptops being an engineering compromise around thermals and fan noise that was out. The i7 was hungrier and the R7 damn near as good but less thirsty or potentially hot. An i7 option might've been a nice middle ground but those on other laptops (with lower GPU's) were still thirstier overall than the Ryzen. Decided to save up a bit more to go... the Ryzen option disappeared from their site never to return. Ended up keeping the 3070ti Legion 5 and tweaking settings to fit more than I already do... which was learned well from previous gens of gaming laptops even before current trends... And gave my PC the love instead, 6800XT to 7900XTX.

But yeah, no biggie for me or the game, this. If anything over the next year or so there'll be even more Intel mobile or other CPU's to avoid, the 14's and the new gear.
 
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