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The big picture: Intel has finally identified all the underlying culprits behind the instability issues plaguing its 13th- and 14th-gen processors. While the company previously recognized the root cause, it did not provide a comprehensive analysis. Now, alongside the results of its lengthy investigation, Intel is also rolling out a second microcode update to hopefully put these issues to bed once and for all.

The root of the problem, as Intel explains, lies in a clock tree circuit within the IA core itself that becomes prone to failure when subjected to high voltage and temperature conditions. This failure causes a shift in the clock duty cycle, which then manifests as system instability.

Intel zeroed in on four key operating scenarios that were triggering this. First is the motherboard power delivery exceeding Intel's guidance, providing the chips with too much voltage. The solution for this is applying Intel's Default Settings, which the company recommended back in June.

There's also an issue with the eTVB microcode algorithm that allows the CPUs to boost into high-performance states even at high temperatures. The SVID microcode algorithm requesting higher voltages at certain frequencies/durations than the silicon could handle was also singled out as a trigger. The final culprit is the microcode and BIOS requesting elevated voltages during idle/light workloads.

The mitigations are being rolled into a new 0x12B microcode update that encompasses previous 0x125 and 0x129 patches. 0x125 addressed the eTVB algorithm issue, while 0x129 tackled the high voltage requests. 0x12B builds on those by enforcing stricter voltage control during idle and/or light activity periods.

Motherboard makers are now working to integrate 0x12B via upcoming BIOS updates, according to Intel. The rollout could take weeks.

It's important to note that this microcode can only prevent the Vmin shift instability from occurring and cannot fix CPUs that are already affected by the issue. Those will need to be replaced by Intel under the warranty extension program (let us know if they refuse). Once swapped for a fresh chip, installing the latest microcode update becomes crucial to avoid a repeat situation.

Intel assures that there will be no significant performance impact from the 0x12B patch. The company also reiterated that its mobile CPUs and upcoming Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake desktop parts are unaffected by this flaw.

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I know 4 people using 13700K and 14700K and they have had no issues, so how many does this really affect?
 
Enough that several stores had to give out refunds, instead of replacing the CPUs, because there was a shortage of them.
And the sources of these claims? Some random stores across the world? No big resellers said anything. I don't trust it sorry!
 
So you only believe in what you want to believe. ok, then.
No I believe in actual facts and proper sources. That is what we use in the university!
 
I know 4 people using 13700K and 14700K and they have had no issues, so how many does this really affect?

Personally, I'm one of the unfortunate ones who have been hit with the infamous error with Unreal Engine 5 games such as Robocop, Forspoken, Immortals of Aveum, and such. Photoshop Premier will also crash when under heavy load with rendering and so on.

Initially a lot of the heavy work loads were fine, but soon started to exhibit crashes more and more.
 
If that was true, you would not have said there are no sources, because several news outlets have reported on this. Including Techspot.
Nah they just kept repeating the same source really.

Fact is that no-one knows if its 5%, 10% or 20% besides Intel, If we see a class action lawsuit and Intel is losing, then something is up. Till then, no-one knows.

There is many people using these chips, not encountering any issues. I know 4 people, that have not updated firmware or downclocked their chips. It is 100% stock and 100% stable!

This is just like when a a few 4090 worldwide were burning due to incorrect installation, entire internet claimed that all 4090s were burning, or when 7800X3D were burning on release, everyone screamed as well.

Fanboys will be fanboys! And no company is perfect.
 
Nah they just kept repeating the same source really.

Fact is that no-one knows if its 5%, 10% or 20% besides Intel, If we see a class action lawsuit and Intel is losing, then something is up. Till then, no-one knows.

There many people using these chips not encountering any issues. I know 4 people, that have not updated firmware or downclocked their chip. It is 100% stock and 100% stable!

This is just like when a a few 4090 worldwide were burning up due to incorrect installation, entire internet claimed that all 4090s were burning, or when 7800X3D were burning on release, everyone screamed as well.

Fanboys will be fanboys!
Problem is it is not in the OEM's interests to provide full figures on how many recalls they have had to make. So whilst many anecdotes <> data, it is all we have to go on.
 
I know 4 people using 13700K and 14700K and they have had no issues, so how many does this really affect?
Mostly affects those with motherboards that has settings that allows higher voltage values than the default settings
 
Mostly affects those with motherboards that has settings that allows higher voltage values than the default settings
Yeah I see, that sounds like motherboard vendors fault and not Intels!

Just like when 7800X3D got too much powah and burned up!
 
No I believe in actual facts and proper sources. That is what we use in the university!
You've only provided anecdotal "evidence" in your first post, all while demanding sources rather abrasively.
I know 4 people using 13700K and 14700K and they have had no issues, so how many does this really affect?

Here is another source that supports the claim that Intel had supply issues:
https://www.techspot.com/news/104739-intel-raptor-lake-rmas-sometimes-result-free-upgrades.html
In the article above, Intel is even offering no-questions-asked refunds.

I don't know what university you "attend/ed," but you're making a compelling case for revoking its government funding.
 
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Yeah I see, that sounds like motherboard vendors fault and not Intels!

Just like when 7800X3D got too much powah and burned up!

The higher then intel recommend default profiles? Sure. But the CPU microcode is supposed to protect against that in any case, and it looks like there were MULTIPLE problems Intel had to fix.
 
The higher then intel recommend default profiles? Sure. But the CPU microcode is supposed to protect against that in any case, and it looks like there were MULTIPLE problems Intel had to fix.
Good they are fixing it tho, right?
 
Good they are fixing it tho, right?
Indeed, Intel has rectified all problems beautifully and is back to being the only real cpu alternative for enlightened consumers such as you and me /s
 
I know 4 people using 13700K and 14700K and they have had no issues, so how many does this really affect?
Agreed; I've been kinda confused because I've had no such crashing problems with my 13700KF in over a year of use; including overclocking it. I'm hesitant to try and fix something that ain't broke.
 
Agreed; I've been kinda confused because I've had no such crashing problems with my 13700KF in over a year of use; including overclocking it. I'm hesitant to try and fix something that ain't broke.
That is what I hear from all others I know using 13 and 14 Gen - No problems

Just wondering if people are blowing this up for no reason, like the Internet usually does!

Class action lawsuit, where is it? Looks like it is a lost cause really.
 
That is what I hear from all others I know using 13 and 14 Gen - No problems

Just wondering if people are blowing this up for no reason, like the Internet usually does!

Class action lawsuit, where is it? Looks like it is a lost cause really.
"I don't see the issue, so it isn't a problem" is an excuse at best and willful ignorance at worst.

Multiple investigations into a potential class-action are ongoing as of this writing.
 
If you're using the new intel profiles download throttlestop or something and see if C1E was enabled. This was never an issue when using stock profiles before these new BIOS updates began rolling out because of the intel issues. The ASUS profiles also don't have this issue with C1E being enabled.

 
No I believe in actual facts and proper sources. That is what we use in the university!
Cool, then here are some more actual facts for you to ignore.
I have 10 PCs in my firm with 13 and 14 series CPUs.
3 of them started showing symptoms and within months were unusable for anything more than web browsing.
And all 3 had similar indicators of this flaw.
Started with overheating, then blue screens and the now famous "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA" message. And the Event Viewers showed the "wdf01000.sys" red flag in its log.

All but one already are replaced, but that one is an HP machine so, yeah, that is taking MUCH longer.


Just wondering if people are blowing this up for no reason, like the Internet usually does!

Just an FYI, but the internet is also known for ignoring the completely obvious.
 
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And the sources of these claims? Some random stores across the world? No big resellers said anything. I don't trust it sorry!
I would argue that 80% percent dont actually need the power and push these chips hard enough to see the crashes.
 
Feeding trolls is bad for your mental health ya known....
 
Third time's the charm!
 

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