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A hot potato: For almost as long as we've had smartphones, there has been the belief that they surreptitiously listen to our spoken conversations to serve us targeted ads; most people have experienced seeing an ad on Facebook for something they were recently talking about. It's always been claimed that this type of privacy invasion doesn't happen. However, a marketing agency, whose clients included Facebook and Google, has admitted to using an "Active Listening" feature that eavesdrops on conversations via phone mics to gather data.

A pitch deck from Cox Media Group (CMG), seen by 404 Media, states that the marketing firm uses its AI-powered Active Listening software to capture real-time data by listening to phone users' conversations. The slide adds that advertising clients can pair the gathered voice data with behavioral data to target in-market consumers.

The deck notes that consumers "leave a data trail based on their conversations and online behavior" and that Active Listening collects and analyzes behavioral and voice data from 470+ sources.

It's also revealed that CMG's clients include Facebook, Google, and Amazon, though it doesn't specify if they used the Active Listening tool.

When 404 Media reached out to Google for comment about its relationship with CMG, the search giant removed the group from its Partners Program site, suggesting it no longer works with the agency.

"All advertisers must comply with all applicable laws and regulations as well as our Google Ads policies, and when we identify ads or advertisers that violate these policies, we will take appropriate action," a Google spokesperson told The New York Post.

Meta, meanwhile, says it will investigate CMG to see if the agency violated any of its terms of service. "Meta does not use your phone's microphone for ads and we've been public about this for years," a Meta spokesperson said. "We are reaching out to CMG to get them to clarify that their program is not based on Meta data."

Amazon said it has never worked with CMG on the program and has no plans to do so. The tech giant said it would take legal action against any partner that violates its terms of service.

Cox acknowledged the legal implications of its Active Listening tech in a now-deleted (but archived) blog post from November 2023. "We know what you're thinking. Is this even legal?" it asks.

The agency claims that it is legal for phones and devices to listen to users. Cox says this is made possible by including consent to use Active Listening in the multi-page terms of use agreements – which few people ever read – that appear with new app downloads or updates.

404 Media first reported on CMG's Active Listening tech in December.

Back in 2017, Facebook's then-president of ads, Rob Goldman, said the platform doesn't and has never used phone microphones to serve ads. CEO Mark Zuckerberg had to repeat the denial to Congress a year later, while he was answering questions about the Cambridge Analytica scandal and Russian election interference.

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I turned off suri voice activation and stopped receiving ads based on conversations.

Unfortunately web searches still link very quickly to facebook ads.
 
I'm sitting here thinking....."no duh"?

I remember finding this out back in 2014 ish? Back when I had a facebook, and anything I talked about would show up as an ad later on the mobile browser. I know I wasnt the only one who saw this.

There's a reason Zucky kept his webcam and mic taped over.
 
Facebook does not use your microphone to target ads...

Facebook partners do use your microphone to target ads placed on Facebook.

Wording matters in legal testimony.
 
I know it happens, if you're connected to the internet and you're talking about something - targeted ads show up on your browsers.

Happened recently - was out of town with the family and we were meeting up with friends at their place. We stayed there a few days and one night the wives were talking about some ice cream place they wanted to go to. About 15 minutes later my wife got on her phone and started looking at something completely unrelated when she noticed ads coming up about the ice cream place. Same thing happened with our friend's wife, her phone was showing ads for the same place.

They listen for key words, go off your location, push targeted ads. They've been doing this for a while and anyone that says it's just coincidence is a fool or a liar.
 
This has got to be covered under the illegal wiretap laws.
 
Don't use mobile data and whatapps if you can.

Turn off your wifi if you don't need it and don't use any social media apps on your phone.

I installed Firefox with ublock origin on my phone using an APK, you have options, but this is getting ridiculous.
 
Cox says this is made possible by including consent to use Active Listening in the multi-page terms of use agreements – which few people ever read – that appear with new app downloads or updates
One of the most interesting parts of this story.

We need to stop allowing consumer shrink-wrap contracts to overwrite decades (or centuries) of established laws and precedents. Wiretapping is illegal in many states and political support for repealing those laws is likely near zero, hence the rapid disavowals by Meta, Google, etc. Yet these companies feel - probably correctly - those laws can be nullified by sticking one sentence into an all-but-unrelated contract. (see: Disney initially trying to use a Disney+ streaming arbitration clause to stop a wrongful death suit at its theme park.)

If Congress can't get this one right soon none of its other laws are going to matter. We've already thrown out access to the judicial system, centuries old First Sale doctrine, many traditional understandings of ownership and uniform commercial contracts, etc. etc.
 
What are these ads on facebook you talk of I see none thanks to uBlock Origin
You see nothing, but that doesn't stop the listening. You can argue that it doesn't impact you because you don't see them, but does it really mean this doesn't impact you? You're being eavesdropped on....but I suppose if that doesn't bother you then you have nothing to be concerned about.
 
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if that doesn't bother you then you have nothing to be concerned about.
Yeah, until you do. Personally I'm not bothered in the abstract that some database thinks I need a new car. The problem is none of us have any control over when some national authority is going to hoover all these databases up; apply "AI" or voodoo or simply buggy code; and then conclude some of us have a negative patriotism score, or are a members of a group it has decided to scapegoat; or otherwise make negative judgments or actions.

I work with data for a living, I'm good at what I do, yet I occasionally make mistakes even on what is ultimately straight forward analysis. I can't imagine the average government employee, under orders to reach conclusions that aren't really available in the data anyway, is going to be any more reliable.
 
Privacy went out the window, the FIRST time you clicked on the TOS agreement, decades ago!
 
Do you want to check it out?
An example
- clear your YouTube history.
- with a friend or family member, start talking about a more or less common topic, but only one topic, which you usually don't talk about, and without going off topic.
-wait a little , go to YT and refresh the page.
- scroll down the page just a little and watch the suggested videos...

Call me paranoid, but I've seen it happen several times
 
Don't use mobile data and whatapps if you can.

Turn off your wifi if you don't need it and don't use any social media apps on your phone.

I installed Firefox with ublock origin on my phone using an APK, you have options, but this is getting ridiculous.
I always have mobile data disabled, I only activate it when I need to see something. Same with the apps, all closed and with limitations, and as little as possible from the GApps, or WS, of FB. It's not totally certain that things like this don't happen, but in a another barrier

also, I´ve never seen an YT o any other ad thanks to ublock origin too (plus the place I live)
 

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