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In brief: The expected wrongful death lawsuits against OceanGate and others behind the Titan submersible that imploded last year have begun. The first highlights the vehicle's infamous use of a cheap Logitech F710 game controller for navigation as a contributing factor behind the incident.

The fact the Titan relied on a $30 Logitech F710 as its only means of navigation made plenty of headlines after the sub imploded on June 18, 2023, killing five people, including Stockton Rush, the CEO of the submersible's operator, OceanGate.

The estate of French deep-sea explorer Paul-Henri Louis Emile Nargeolet has become the first to file a wrongful death lawsuit against OceanGate and Rush's estate.

Nargeolet had been on 37 dives to the Titanic wreckage, and was working with OceanGate as a crew member on what would be his final voyage. His duties included guiding other crewmembers and assisting with navigation.

The suit brings up several of the criticisms that were made following the implosion, the biggest being that the Titan was made of carbon fiber, which can crack under repeated compression, instead of the usual submarine material of titanium.

The Titan's porthole and the use of materials with different expansion/compression coefficients were also singled out in the suit.

As for the Logitech controller, the suit highlights it alongside the Titan's other inappropriate tech. The fact it worked via Bluetooth instead of being hardwired, and Rush opted to use the gamepad instead of a custom controller, is emphasized. It's also noted that the Titan only had one physical button in its main chamber, which was for power, with everything else, including the lights and gauges, being touchscreen.

"Rush stated that Titan was 'to other submersibles what the iPhone was to the BlackBerry,'" the suit states. "As with an iPhone, however, none of the controller, controls, or gauges would work without a constant source of power and a wireless signal."

This wasn't the first OceanGate submersible to use a game controller. Its previous Cyclops I, which used almost identical systems, featured a wireless Sony DualShock 3.

The suit doesn't blame a single element for the implosion; instead, it says the incident was a daisy chain of failures of multiple improperly designed or constructed parts or systems.

The complaint says the defendants were "careless, negligent, grossly negligent, and reckless." It is seeking $50 million in damages.

Soon after the implosion, OceanGate wiped its entire social media presence and redirected visitors to its websites to a page explaining that the company had suspended all exploration and commercial operations.

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To be fair the US navy uses XBox controllers for some things (Although not direct control of a vessel afaik).
Nothing wrong with using proven consumer tech. It's easy to source, thoroughly tested by millions and cheap.
Using Bluetooth however is straight up dumb and why not a Xbox or PlayStation controller off which many more have sold?
 
I heard of tank drivers using controllers too, and why not? Im not sure if its a good idea for a sub, but it seems to work well for a tank.
 
There are few things less civilized than that certain type of wealthy person when they smell blood in the water, no pun intended.

A $30 plastic controller on a carbon fiber submarine already tells you everything you need to know about the owner.
 
Someday there will be proper underwater sightseeing, that goes like this: "On the left, we have the infamous Titanic wreckage. On the right, we have a pile of imploded subs..., though nobody cares!"
 
I heard of tank drivers using controllers too, and why not? Im not sure if its a good idea for a sub, but it seems to work well for a tank.

They do, mostly because most youth are familiar with the controller layout.
 
I own that controller. It has issues where it loses connectivity for 5-15 seconds for no apparent reason, even after receiving a replacement controller the problem was the same.

And here I was, thinking I had a bad day when my wireless controller caused me to crash my truck in Euro truck simulator 2.
 
I don't know about that particular controller, but if they had chosen one of the mainstream Xbox or Playstation models it would probably represent a part with tens of millions of dollars of cumulative R&D behind it, proven capability as a high performance input device, with extensive real world operating history. I'd probably have chosen wired with multiple backup units, but absent specifics I'm not sure that $30 means bad - in fact I'd probably suspect a $10,000 custom one-off would be more likely to have undiscovered issues.

 
IMO that can't stand, as Nargoelet himself was, obviously, fully OK with all Rush's crap. Had he not been OK with all that, He wouldn't voluntarily agree to use it would he? Repeatedly, as in again and again, and again, multiple times to be clear.
 
They do, mostly because most youth are familiar with the controller layout.
The difference Is that when the controller resets spontaneously, the tank doesn't start uncontrollably sinking until IT implodes, killing everyone aboard.
And no, not tank drivers. The US Navy uses WIRED PlayStation controllers as OPTIONAL controllers for the periscopes.
 
I don't know about that particular controller, but if they had chosen one of the mainstream Xbox or Playstation models it would probably represent a part with tens of millions of dollars of cumulative R&D behind it, proven capability as a high performance input device, with extensive real world operating history. I'd probably have chosen wired with multiple backup units, but absent specifics I'm not sure that $30 means bad - in fact I'd probably suspect a $10,000 custom one-off would be more likely to have undiscovered issues.
Nope. That specific model Is one of the crappiest in the market.
 
I own that controller. It has issues where it loses connectivity for 5-15 seconds for no apparent reason, even after receiving a replacement controller the problem was the same.

And here I was, thinking I had a bad day when my wireless controller caused me to crash my truck in Euro truck simulator 2.
I had an Xbox one controller that did that. I used it with a usb cable for this reason until many years later, I found about a firmware that fixes it.
 
I'm sure if they paid $5000 for that $30 controller this issue wouldn't happen...
 
It's shocking that such critical equipment relied on a $30 game controller. This lawsuit really brings to light the need for better safety standards in high-risk ventures.
 

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