72-year-old Florida man arrested after admitting he shot a Walmart delivery drone

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WTF?! Companies like Amazon have spent years trying to get their drone delivery programs off the ground. Today, several drone delivery firms are operating in a number of states, and that's exposed a problem not everyone foresaw: people shooting the drones. In Florida, a 72-year-old man has been arrested after admitting he shot a Walmart delivery drone.

The Lake County Sheriff's Office said drone delivery representatives reported the incident. A two-man crew was campaigning in a nearby community, writes Fox 35 Orlando, which included mock deliveries to illustrate the drones' capabilities, to attract potential business.

Deputies say that the crew stood in front of a home located in a cul-de-sac, awaiting the drone's descent. As it began to descend, a rep said he heard what sounded like a gunshot. The rep saw a man at the side of the home holding a gun pointed toward the sky.

The crew returned to Walmart and directed the drone to fly back to the store. Upon inspection, the reps discovered a bullet hole and $2,500 worth of damage to its payload system.

Deputies returned to the home to interview 72-year-old Dennis Winn. He told officers that he had prior experience with drones and believed that the UAV was surveilling him. Winn said he tried to shoo the drone away. When this didn't work, he went inside the home to retrieve his 9mm gun from a safe, came back out, and shot the drone, which was about 75 feet in the air at the time.

"I then told him that he had struck a Walmart drone," the Sherriff's deputy said. "The defendant looked in disbelief and questioned, 'Really?'"

"I fired one round at it," Winn said in bodycam footage. "They say I hit it so I must be a good shot, or else it's not that far away [...] I'm going to wind up having to find a real good defense lawyer."

Winn was charged with shooting at an aircraft, criminal mischief damage over $1,000, and discharging a firearm in public or residential property.

Business Insider notes that the FAA doesn't distinguish between a drone and a passenger jet when it comes to attempts to sabotage a commercial aircraft. It means that shooting a drone is classed as a felony and could see perpetrators fined and sent to prison for up to 20 years.

Walmart says it has completed more than 20,000 safe drone deliveries over the last two years, and that it is expanding its drone delivery program for up to 75% of the Dallas-Fort Worth population, covering an additional 1.8 million homes.

In other recent drone news, more police forces are considering using the UAVs in first responder (DFR) programs, in which they are sent to 911 calls ahead of officers to assess a situation. Digital rights group the Electronic Frontier Foundation warns that while this may sound good in practice, the programs can be used for privacy-invading surveillance and over-policing.

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Do I understand correctly that it is a felony to damage Walmart drones flying over your privately owned property?

Surely that's not the situation here.

Private property typically does not cover air space, and commercial drone operators are licensed to do what they’re doing.

That said I find it hilarious that Uav’s have better legal protection against gun nuts than trick or treaters in the US.
 
What kind of person fires a 9mm into the sky? That's incredibly dangerous.

That said I find it hilarious that Uav’s have better legal protection against gun nuts than trick or treaters in the US.

What legal protections do you believe trick or treaters do or don't have in the US?
 
I'm with the old guy here. It's alright if you're flying in an area where you're bothering no-one but not over people's homes. We had one flying over our home last summer and it was a PITA. Fortunately I managed to find the pilot and persuaded him to fly elsewhere. He seemed genuinely surprised that flying continually back and forth over your garden for an hour with a camera while making a loud whining sound would annoy anyone. The drone in the article has 16 propellors rather than one so it probably makes a hell of a noise.

You'd think if they were testing a delivery drone then they would test it in a safe environment and not over people's homes. I think the rule in the US is not to fly closer than 1000' to people's homes (in congested areas) unless taking off or landing. I don't think dropping goods off counts.

"Drone shot by resident" seems like a pretty expected result for their test.
 
That said I find it hilarious that Uav’s have better legal protection against gun nuts than trick or treaters in the US.

Corporate owned Uav's have better lobbyists than kids. If walmarts get shot up as much as schools do, you bet there would be gun law changes.
 
Corporate owned Uav's have better lobbyists than kids. If walmarts get shot up as much as schools do, you bet there would be gun law changes.

I know we live in a fantasy world where feelings matter more than facts, but this is factually untrue. It is a felony in all 50 states to even possess a firearm in a school. Most states allow people to legally carry firearms in a Walmart with a permit.
 
I wasn't there, like everyone else on the form here. If it was over his property, he MIGHT have the right to shoot it. However, shooting a live round into the air is very dangerous. What goes up, must come back down. This is assuming the round pierced through the drone.

Ultimately, the only thing I think he can be legally charged for is "discharging a firearm in public or residential property"
 
I know we live in a fantasy world where feelings matter more than facts, but this is factually untrue. It is a felony in all 50 states to even possess a firearm in a school. Most states allow people to legally carry firearms in a Walmart with a permit.
I mean you obviously live in a fantasy world when you change the subject I wrote. There have been 413 school shootings since Columbine, have there been more than 413 walmart shootings since then? That is the only question to debate, anything else you can go debate with other people.

P.S. the answer is no, so it is FACTUALLY TRUE
 
I think the rule in the US is not to fly closer than 1000' to people's homes (in congested areas) unless taking off or landing.

"Drone shot by resident" seems like a pretty expected result for their test.

I'm FAA licensed for drones. controlled airspace such as airports have varying legal elevation limits nowadays. On uncontrolled airspace however, the only written rule is max elevation of 400'. what most licensed operators do though is we stay above the treelines when passing by other people's property.

That being said, my drones arent cheap, and they provide live feed stored instantly on my phone thats remotely controlling them. I've seen personal footages of someone trying shooting them down before from afar, and they were lucky they missed because my recordings also show whose backyard two blocks away the shot came from.

"The FAA doesn't distinguish between a drone and a passenger jet when it comes to attempts to sabotage a commercial aircraft. It means that shooting a drone is classed as a felony and could see perpetrators fined and sent to prison for up to 20 years."
 
I'm FAA licensed for drones. controlled airspace such as airports have varying legal elevation limits nowadays. On uncontrolled airspace however, the only written rule is max elevation of 400'. what most licensed operators do though is we stay above the treelines when passing by other people's property.
This particular drone was 75' away from the resident so it obviously had to be at lot lower altitude than 400'. What's the ruling over there if the drone is making a delivery? and what if it's creating a nuisance regards noise?

I used to fly paramotors in the UK and the rules were not to fly over built up areas or within 1000' (or was it 500'?) of peoples property to avoid nuisance. The noise from our engines was considerably louder than a drone though.
 
There has been lots of stories of drones invading peoples privacy, even taking video of nude people in their back yard with a privacy fence! It should be illegal and the person being violated should be able to "bring em down"! 😲 😲
 
I've been flying these things for just over 4 years. Flying over commercial property is one thing, but I try to AVOID private property (homes). I wouldn't want someone flying over mine. Plus, we aren't suppose to fly "over people" unless you obtain permission & not over roadways when vehicles are present. Makes it kind of tricky but that is the rule. If someone wants me to take a photo of their house for personal use (non realtor), I tell them fine, but ask all their neighbors if they are ok with it first.
It's called being responsible. If more UAV owners would do that, people wouldn't have such a bad taste in their mouth for them!
 
Shooting down a drone over your property is still a touchy subject and not advisable. Even if local laws clear the property owner, the drone operator can still pursue Federal Law. Drones including recreational ones are considered aircraft under the FAA regulations. So basically the FAA is saying "No" you cannot shoot down any drone even above your property. Something for the lawyers to hash out.
 
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What legal protections do you believe trick or treaters do or don't have in the US?

As long as they stay off private property? Plenty. Once they enter it, well then it becomes a grey area, often to the property owners benefit. If they can claim feeling threatened for some reason or another, they probably won’t go to jail for shooting.
 
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