Trump trial live updates as Michael Cohen faces sharp questioning from defense

Following a testy and heated exchange between Cohen and Trump's lawyer, the court has taken a lunch break.

After about five hours of withering attacks on Cohen's character and credibility, Blanche finally began asking about some of the core allegations in the case.

He turned to testimony Cohen gave earlier this week, in which he said he spoke on the phone on Oct. 24, 2016, with then-candidate Trump, updating him on his efforts to secure the rights to Daniels' story.

Blanche asked Cohen to recall that Cohen said he called Trump's then-bodyguard, Keith Schiller, who put Trump on the phone.

Was the call on speakerphone, or did Trump pick up the phone? Cohen wasn't sure.

Does Cohen remember what exactly they talked about? 

"We talked about the matter, and it was resolved," Cohen said.

Blanche showed Cohen two series' of text messages from that evening. The first showed an exchange between him and a person who had been prank-calling him. Cohen threatened to turn the teen in to the Secret Service.

"I didn't do it, I'm 14, please don't do this," the person said, according to today's testimony.

Blanche then showed Cohen text messages with Schiller related to that exchange. Schiller told Cohen to call him, just before the phone call Cohen previously testified about.

Blanche accused Cohen of lying when he said he spoke to Trump about the Daniels deal.

His voice rising and the words coming fast, Blanche said: "That was a lie, because you were actually talking to Keith Schiller about the fact that you were receiving harassing phone calls from a 14-year-old, correct?"

Cohen said he believes he talked to Schiller about that, and updated Trump about the deal.

"Now your memory is that you, testifying truthfully, that you had enough time in a 1 minute, 36 second phone call to tell Mr. Schiller about being harassed by a 14-year-old," and to update Trump, Blanche asked.

Cohen said he did.

"I always ran everything by the boss immediately, and in this case it was saying, 'Everything's been taken care of, it's been resolved,'" Cohen said.

Back in December, Cohen's attorney submitted a court filing asking a judge to end Cohen's supervised release early. The filing included several citations of court cases that did not actually exist, and the judge asked Cohen to explain himself.

On the stand, Cohen said he had asked Google Bard, the search giant's AI tool, to find other court cases about early termination of supervised release. He said the tool came up with three precedents, and he sent them to his attorney.

Bard "created a whole bunch of phantom results, because AI wants to please the user. And then I provided to my counsel these 3 cases that were directly on point for me, about why I should be released," Cohen said. "And he included them in the document."

His attorney told the court that he thought another lawyer had reviewed the filing before it got to him. Cohen ultimately didn't face any sanctions from the judge for the phony cases.

Earlier in the trial, Cohen testified that he was hurt that he wasn't considered to become Trump's White House chief of staff when Trump went to Washington in 2017. But he also said he didn't actually want the job.

Cohen reiterated that testimony under questioning from Blanche: "I would like to have been considered for ego purposes." He said he was offered a role at the Justice Department but declined.

Blanche brought up that Cohen told Congress he didn't want to work in the White House. 

"But the truth is, you really wanted to work in the White House, correct?" Blanche said.

"No sir," Cohen replied.

Blanche brought up several instances of Cohen telling others that he wanted to either be chief of staff or attorney general. Cohen acknowledged telling a Republican fundraiser "that would be nice," referring to the chief of staff role. He also admitted he told his daughter he was disappointed he wasn't considered for the position.

Cohen maintained that the role he actually wanted was personal attorney to the president, a job he held until 2018.

"I wanted to be personal attorney to the president," he testified. "I always said there's no shame in being personal attorney to the president of the United States."

Coming back from a break, Merchan said jurors indicated they can't work next Wednesday, "so that is off the table." The judge said earlier in the morning that the court might have to convene if jurors could make it work. The trial usually takes Wednesdays off.

Trump has been as engaged as he's ever been during this trial as Blanche hammers away at Cohen's credibility, confronting him with lies, and instance after instance when Cohen changed his tune about various details.

Smirking at times, Trump is watching Cohen for minutes at a time, and leaning in to look at exhibits that include text messages between Cohen and others.

Continuing his line of questioning, Blanche asked Cohen about admitting to tax evasion and bank fraud charges in 2018, and his subsequent contentions that he should not have been charged in the first place.

"I have stated again, that I never — that I don't dispute the facts of the case, but that I should not have been prosecuted," Cohen said. 

Blanche asked if Cohen had since said he believed the judge, William Pauley III, was "in on it," referring to a scheme to pressure him into entering a guilty plea. Cohen said he does. Blanche then asked if he knows Pauley is deceased. Cohen said he does.

Cohen admitted to Pauley that he knew the information he submitted to a bank to obtain a line of credit would be used when making a decision about his application. On the stand, Cohen said he was lying when he said that. 

"Did you tell Congress, either the House or the Senate, that actually you lied to Judge Pauley?" Blanche said.

"I did not," Cohen answered.

"Do you think Judge Pauley would have liked to know that you had lied to him?" Blanche later asked.

"I'm certain he would have," Cohen said.

Trump's attorney went through the times that Cohen has acknowledged lying under oath, dating back to 2017. He pleaded guilty the next year to lying to Congress about discussions over a Trump real estate deal in Moscow. Cohen also acknowledged lying to federal investigators from special counsel Robert Mueller's office. 

Blanche asked Cohen if he thought the oath, and its meaning, changes depending on the venue Cohen is in. He asked Cohen about his earlier testimony that he accepted responsibility for his actions but also said he was lying to protect Trump. Cohen reiterated that he takes responsibility.

But Blanche also got Cohen to acknowledge that he didn't think he should have been charged with some of the federal crimes he faced in 2018, including tax evasion charges related to his investments in New York City taxi medallions.

"You felt that you did not engage in tax fraud but you had to plead guilty to protect your wife and family?" Blanche asked.

"Correct," Cohen said.

Cohen mostly gave one-word answers as Blanche reminded the jurors about Cohen's history of dishonesty under oath.

Blanche played two clips from Cohen's podcast in 2023, in which he thanked Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg for bringing charges against Trump. 

"I truly f--king hope that this man ends up in prison," Cohen is heard saying in the audio. He said the charges would not bring back the year that he "lost" behind bars but said, "You better believe I want this man to go down and rot inside for what he did to my family."

Cohen sounded energetic in the podcast clip, especially compared to his monotone cadence heard as he testified.

Blanche asked Cohen about his contacts with Jeremy Rosenberg, a detective who worked with the district attorney's office. Cohen said he texted with Rosenberg last year around the time when Trump was indicted by a New York grand jury. 

Blanche showed him some of the texts, and asked if Rosenberg had told Cohen that the indictment had been returned before it was unsealed. Cohen said he learned about the indictment from the story in the New York Times, not the detective. 

Trump's attorney asked Cohen about comments he made about having "Goliath on his back," before the indictment was made public. Cohen acknowledged that Rosenberg complimented him about his TV appearances.

Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger objected to Blanche's questions at several points, with mixed success.

The grand jury approved the indictment against Trump on March 30, 2023, and Trump's attorneys soon confirmed that he had been charged. The district attorney's office also confirmed the news in a statement. The indictment itself wasn't unsealed until April 4, when Trump was arraigned on the charges.

After the sidebar, Blanche got the day's questioning started with Cohen on the stand. He began by asking Cohen about his contacts with a detective who works with the district attorney's office.

Merchan apologized to jurors for the lengthy sidebar that held up proceedings this morning and then informed them that there may be a need to work next Wednesday, which is usually the day that this trial breaks.

The judge instructed jurors to let the court deputy know if they are available, or if convening next Wednesday would be a hardship.

Court is expected to end early today at 4 p.m. because one of the jurors has a prior obligation, according to Merchan.

For the second day in a row, proceedings began with a lengthy sidebar. Trump attorney Todd Blanche and prosecutor Susan Hoffinger could be seen animatedly arguing among a collection of nearly every lawyer in the room.

On Tuesday, during another sidebar that began the day, the transcript shows prosecutors told the judge that Cohen would be their last direct witness. Trump's lawyers said they were unsure if they'd call an expert witness, Trump, both or neither.

We'll update further as soon as the transcript of the hushed 17-minute conversation at the bench is available later today.

"I apologize for all the whispering, I think we're ready to get started," Merchan said, adding that the attorneys had to "go over" something.

Trump strode into court just before 9:30 a.m., his shoulders hunched and a stern look on his face, with the biggest entourage yet trailing behind him.

Several Republican members of Congress are joining the former president in court, the latest in a line of GOP officials who have come to show their support for the party's presumptive presidential nominee.

Rep. Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, Anna Paulina Luna, Andy Biggs and Bob Good were among the group of members seen at the courthouse as Trump arrived. 

Back in Washington, the House Oversight Committee delayed a planned hearing "to accommodate members' schedules," a committee aide said.

Florida Republican Sen. Rick Scott joined Trump in court last week, which seemingly kicked off the trend. Following Scott's visit, Vivek Ramaswamy, Rep. Byron Donalds and Sens. J.D. Vance and Tommy Tuberville have attended in recent days.

House Speaker Mike Johnson also came to the courthouse but did not enter the room.

During their visits, Trump's allies have spoken to the media and come to the former president's defense.

Earlier on Thursday, Boebert posted on X: "They may have gagged President Trump. They didn't gag me. They didn't gag the rest of us."