Bank of America: The Elephant In The Room

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t
You said, "The chances of the bank actually losing money on the securities is probably close to zero. " Well, I believe that the bank has actually lost money already. Those bonds they are holding are worth considerably less. Even though the IRS considers it only a loss when you sell, there is the opportunity cost of holding assets that are lower yielding. Thus in many future years B of A will be saddled with the opportunity cost of not being able to invest this money to get higher yields. Also, So much of it indicates poor management as this money could have been hedged. The banks like to get us to sign up for financial planning with them and make a commission off our money. This is a case of them not even investing their own money wisely. I hold some shares, but I won't buy any more until I see the share price lower.
@taxbuster You do not acknowledge the risk of timing an investment wrong. To you, poor management means unable to see the future so you can correctly time interest rate movements. What you do not realize is that incorrect timing which happens all the time with investors can cost a lot of money.
Here, they locked in a profit and took timing out of it. There is no loss at the current time. But there is a profit on the spread between the cost of that money and the interest generated from those bonds. In this case they invested for 6 years max with a duration probably half that.
As management noted, the amount in that investment is already down 80 billion and can redirected if it exists still. However, it may not as it was stimulus money kept in demand accounts. So they are not stuck for years as it is already unraveling.
This transaction was done back in 2020 before anyone had any idea that the poor economic management that had gone on for years would finally come home to roost.
g
Interesting to see you have expanded your expertise beyond oil and gas into coverage of the banking sector...
@grcinak I studied money and banking as part of my MBA. So there was no expansion
J
Own BAC for years at $14 so I am somewhat disappointed in the drop from $50 to the present but holding. Wonder of they would consider a huge buyback while the stock price is so low
@Jlexus1953 They may not be able to if the equity requirement will increase as projected
J
@Long Player thanks for the reply.thought the new requirement was 194 billion in 2025 a d they already have 194 so they don5 need any more liquidity. At the current price they could retire perhaps another billion shares which would go a long way toward future earnings
@Jlexus1953 That retirement would decrease that 194 and that is the problem if the requirement increases
c
BAC is a neutral hold right now, imo. I believe BAC is going lower for a number of reasons and will be overshadowed by better run banks. I am long BAC but not adding at this price. I own JPM and still holding. I am long GS and adding. Thanks for the article.
@cons123 Now let's see what happens.
N
Cash flow average. Profit health average. But a good value in terms of stock price. Fair value of $35.03 with an increasing dividend over the last 10 years. Good place to start accumulating.
@Natturner1966 Certainly looks that way
BofA is in fine shape because they have so much sticky low-rate transactional deposits. The problem is when a bank is paying more in funding costs (5-5.50% now from Fed) compared to rates that they locked in a couple years ago for sometimes 30 years (maybe 3%). Then the bank actually is losing money, regardless of MTM or whether they hold the securities until maturity. This is what is happening to Schwab right now as deposits move to MMF. They are paying 5.50% in borrowing costs and earning 3% in lending income. BofA's has more deposits and they're unlikely to move into MMF.
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Pabst
Today, 12:07 PM
Thanks for the article and attempting to calm nerves. I wonder how different Wall Street & Main Street might have viewed BAC from 2010 onward had it not been so cooperative with the govt in taking on a failing Countrywide, and then paying penalty after penalty over the next decade for that co's past misdeeds.
@Pabst They got considerable aid for doing that. So I suspect it was the Fed aid that paid for the misdeeds
B
Investing in a Bank - should be boring. Wondering if you imply BAC or the US Govt is the 'going concern' but I don't need a response. Thanks for the work here.
@Bruce Bohannon both are going concerns and BAC is better run.
d
"Mark to market" accounting rules for bank investment securities is interesting. Could bankers chime in to address what is the average maturity of such securities.
The article tells you about maturities for a fair amount of investments. There is no accounting mark to market. What there is....is a big misunderstanding about why the accounting is not done. Hence the article
t
You're all gonna be disappointed when commercial real estate's other shoe drops......the epic cataclysmic meltdown will take BAC into the teens
@touky maybe the high rise office space will need some tweaking, but a total collapse IMO is very unlikely. Warehouse space is booming, and restate is still way to valuable,. where I am, they just demolished a mall, sears was the cornerstone, and are now making apartments, and restaurants, the basic European plan. All real estate has doubled in the past 3 years, most companies and individuals have very low interest rates locked in and will not walk away from that. Very different environment then 2008. I’m long term buy in banking companies, Great PE, great dividends, unbelievable NAV. Be greedy when people are afraid.
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Pabst
Today, 11:56 AM
@Thunder12 Same here.....mall demolished to make way for a hospital and a high-end, mixed-use retail/residential town center.
@touky Hence the article about why this bank is not deeply into real estate
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hehren
Today, 10:06 AM
There is some market assumptions that the loss shown of roughly $136 million is "real".
The "real" figure is $136 billion.
@hehren Not if they hold to maturity....which they do. The loss figure is then zero.
p
LP, very fine points above, a definite reread. thanks, the cooler
@phyllisquirk You still have comments that the "loss is real". But the bank never has to take that loss and can wait until it matures. That is a huge difference from say Chevron which wrote gas properties down billions and then converted to a real loss by selling it to EQT. Compare that to Exxon Mobil which also wrote the properties down but is now selling them at way better prices now. So again, for Exxon, no loss
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@Long Player that is not my comment, please double check, retract. ty tc
@phyllisquirk I did not mean it was your comment specifically. What I meant was the general tenor of comments not only here but throughout the investing world is......There are several places you can see it.
But the other general thing is this loss is confused with what happens on the stress test.
Does that help.
It is just a state of the general market feeling comment.
In late 2020, and into 2021 they determined that there was too much money in the system. So instead of appreciating the very real risk of inflation from too much money, they decided to invest long at historically low rates. But it’s okay, because they can earn their way out.
@GreenH2O Not only that, but the cost of investing is less so they make money which is always the goal. The spread is positive
Long Player, not sure the point of this article. I am not too worried about Bank of America's unrealized losses in its "held-to-maturity" ('HTM') portfolio... unlike Silicon Valley Bank and others... BoA has enough cushion to hold the bonds to maturity and avoid any "realized" losses. 100% of BoA's underwater holdings will mature at face value. These book losses will eventually turn into gains. In the meantime, Boa is making a ton of money and in great position to reward shareholders. Also, b/c of Merrill Lynch, BoA makes more fee income than most
@The Diligent CPA in NJ That is the point of the article. They are more diversified than most
Bank of America is just a great all-around bank for doing what banks are supposed to do, which is to make money and keep customers satisfied. BoA has massive deposit base to earn interest income. And massiver brokerage business via Merrill Lynch to collect brokerage fees. I intend on waiting for share price to recover and collecting the 3.60% dividend until then
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