Pfizer: Brutal End To COVID Gravy Train

Oct. 15, 2023 8:00 PM ETBNTX34 Comments

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FDA To Allow Pharmacists To Prescribe COVID-19 Treatment Paxlovid

Joe Raedle

After hours on Friday, Pfizer (NYSE:PFE) dropped a bomb on the market. The biopharma benefitted greatly from COVID vaccine and treatment-related drug sales and the company is getting hit hard by the flip side of those

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Comments (34)

I agree with some comments---- a PFE downward revision in revenues and earnings is hardly an unexpected event. Whether it is fully priced in is a matter of opinion. Certainly, some initial PFE price decline is likely to occur, as was case post market. But perhaps people will turn to buy PFE on an "all the bad news is out there" premise. Friday I will take assignment of 100 PFE at 32 1/2, on a PFE uncovered put, if still below that price at close then.
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Tdog88
Yesterday, 10:20 PM
The cut has been priced in, that’s why it’s been dropping so much, and why it recovered after hours. The recent drop (last few weeks) is why this is priced like it is. Can we all settle down.
@Tdog88
Doubt this massive of a cut has been fully priced in, but SFC kept a Neutral rating on the stock b/c it is close to the likely lows.
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While I do not disagree, I am holding my current shares.
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The problem with PFE is their failure at R&D. PFE has spent billions every year for the last 15 years and has a dismal record at discovering new drugs that will increase the share price on a sustained basis. Over the last fifteen years, PFE has resorted to acquiring their pipeline by paying a premium for that pipeline. That strategy has been a failure as reflected in the stock price. As soon as PFE buys a competitor, it sells of the consumer product division as well as generic pharmaceuticals.

Compare LLY with PFE over the last fifteen years and you will see that LLY has smoked PFE. LLY has better management and a better track record at R&D than PFE.

Personally, I would like to see PFE broken up and sold. The Board that represents shareholders has been a complete failure in holding management accountable. I’m afraid PFE stock price will continue to deteriorate if interest rates continue higher.
@Bentley 2 Which is why they need to cut the dividend and invest in more acquisitions.
@Yggsdraggl
Bentley just said the problem is premium for acquisitions has done nothing for the stock price. The key to real success is developing new drugs.
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Jimghad
Yesterday, 9:38 PM
The COVID gravy train brought over $100 Billion from the 2 COVID products for PFE.
PFE has been able to put this extra money to good use buying Cos. and products. This will secure the future of PFE for the next 10 years. (incl. dealing with the LOE in the next 3 years.).
Reminds me when I would recommend LLY and AMGEN , folks were busy writing about ABBV, CELGENE and GILD.
PFE has a great future.
@Jimghad
If $PFE had such a great future, they wouldn't have to suddenly slash $3.5B in costs.
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Another thing. Supposedly the government is ordering a million doses of Paxlovid for a "strategic stockpile." But apparently the drug expires 2 years from date of manufacture. So does that mean Uncle Sam will reorder another million doses every 2 years to maintain it? Hopefully without forcing Pfizer to take back worthless soon-to-be-expired meds in exchange for new ones, all gratis?
@DCO1982
Doubt the govt will have any need to reup a future order. The US still has stooges in the CDC that promote the vaccine to healthy 6-month olds, but this will end as well.
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I believe PFE could actually fall to $24 per share. At that level, the dividend would yield 7%. That would compensate investors for interest rates and a market premium.
@Bentley 2
Not sure $PFE will fall that far, but it's possible with this massive covid wipeout. The stock would become very interesting at $24 next year.
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Pfizer has never been shareholder
friendly. If the company would not
have had the Covid vaccine, no telling where the shares might be.
5.0% yield is good but I see no appreciation in the stock.
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@Dominic7 the biggest joke is that Pfizer didn’t even develop that vaccine themselves. BioNTech did that for them. All Pfizer did was marketing and selling the product. For doing that they got 50% of the margin and BioNTech got the other half.
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Was someone ordering a slowdown of Paxlovid? I was in rehab when there was a COVID outbreak. When I tested positive, I asked for Paxlovid but the house doctor said they could not find any, that everyone was out of stock. She said she even called the CDC and was told supplies were not available where I was located. As far as I know none of the patients at the facility were able to be treated with Paxlovid. I lost about two weeks of physical therapy having COVID, and that of course still counted toward my 100 day coverage limit.
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Jimghad
Yesterday, 9:41 PM
@William Frey Paxlovid is really a life saving product. I know friends and families that have not taken Paxlovid and ended up with LONG - COVID. This is really too bad.
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Matt_93
Yesterday, 9:52 PM
@Jimghad just about everyone I know has gotten Covid at least a couple of times, never needed drugs for it, and got over it just fine. It was a miracle for PFE revenues.
@Matt_93 @Jimghad
With Matt here, don't know anyone with long covid or anyone that needed drugs or time in the hospital outside of 80+ people with major health issues. Know people that took the vaccine and have lasting side effects.
I intend to be a buyer on Monday morning. A +5% dividend yield and a steep discount to a strong drug pipeline is enough margin of safety for me.
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@Mandingo just curious, why invest in a stock that will likely trade sideways or down for quite awhile? There are many better dividend paying stocks out there that will pay an equivalent divvy, while likely growing in value.
@Mandingo Stipulating all you say is true, I’d still hold off. There’s no rush: there’ll be tax selling plus funds managers won’t want this on their quarterly client reports.

I’d wait till year end. What’s the worst case in doing so? Missing a $2 bounce?
@Mandingo
Doubt one should rush into buying the stock on Monday. $PFE faces more downside in covid sales in the year ahead before the biopharma is a potential buy.
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„The stock isn't likely to head much lower“

why do you think it isnt? With all the bad news and declining earnings plus short selling pressure?
@MikeKorea
The market will ultimately focus on the normalized numbers after this covid shakeout. One has to make the case $PFE can't still earn a $3 EPS to suggest the stock heads much lower.
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Now they're on the hook for "free" doses of paxlovid in the future in exchange for the ones the government gave back. But can they resell these 7.9 million doses on the private market to offset that? Can I return expired food to the grocery store and expect to receive "store credit" for it?
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LLCapital
Yesterday, 8:31 PM
If you are a long term investor the most important thing is maintain or grow the divi, and what they can earn in 2030. Based on their projections in the slide you gave, what would eps be in 2030 revenue guidance? Thanks for the quick update
We expect a very minor dividend increase in this aristocrat. They have a lot of exciting drugs in the pipeline. We are buying now for sale in 2024.
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@kaplanassetmgt terrible stock. Hasn't don't anything in 23 years. Stock is below the last post split price. Multiple management's clearly don't care about shareholders.
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DougieSherwin
Yesterday, 10:00 PM
@kaplanassetmgt So you want to hold it while the S&P 500 revisits 3,200?
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Do u think a dividend cut will occur ?
@artster imho, cut Div and they lose all of us ‘sort of’ shareholders - that div keeps us interestedly patient. I own very small piece to force myself to pay attention - the Covid cliff was known (size could be surprise, but that train light was on?). I’m interested in that pipeline and when the impatient want to give me a bigger discount - for me (JNJ is only pharma long), pharma is a decade investment, not a quarter.
@artster I’d be interested ONLY if they cut the dividend in order to increase spending on research and acquisitions. And if that creates a drop from dividend investors, so much the better.
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