'Higher For Longer' Is Totally Unsustainable: Buy Defensive Dividend Stocks

Oct. 07, 2023 8:15 AM ETEXR, NEE, PEP, TSLX54 Comments

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Dividend stocks have seen an absolute shellacking over the last year.

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Austin Rogers
Article Update Today, 9:30 AM
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Doesn’t matter You should always allocate part of your portfolio to income ( divi ) Always
Also depends on your age The older you get more income you need to substitute for less work and ultimately retirement
MASSIVE flaw in this article. The Fed does control the Fed Funds rate but the 10-year Treasury, whose rate influences so many other rates, has its rate set by the market.

The rate had crested 4% earlier this year and then slightly subsided below 4% because it looked like inflation might actually get to the 2% - 2.5% level. But now the market sees that the government won't cut spending and inflation is not subsiding towards 2%. So rates have resumed their ascent.

Congress is screwing America - again.
@Naples Investor The Fed may not control the 10-year Treasury rate, but the FFR has a very significant impact on it. If the FFR began dropping, there would likely be far more demand for the 10-year and other bonds.
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I own all 4, and unsurprisingly agree with your analysis!
@Sacdukeman Glad to hear it!
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Interesting take on current rate cycle.
@Gladiator321 Thanks for the comment! Glad you found it interesting. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but at the very least I hope to have spurred some thought.
We are all Austrian (economists). Never underestimate the irresponsibility of our political leaders (raising deficits regardless of interest rates). Loading up more everyday on REITs and gold miners but becoming very picky with balance sheet now.
@julienperville Yes, me too. Very prudent. Balance sheet quality and lack of upcoming debt maturities is hugely important.
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I have an idea, if interest rates are higher, buy a cheaper house. You don't need a McMansion like I see being built today. My first house were under 1,000 sq ft., while my mortgage rate was 11%. You have it made with these low interest rates today.
@jr52537 Where is any builder building houses under 1,000 square feet? (It doesn't count if the house is in an urban area and priced the same as the 2,000 square foot house in the suburbs.) It is totally uneconomical for builders to build cheap, affordable houses.
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@jr52537 You make sense and wish there were no local ordinances , but many subdivisions have so mane rules that jack the price up so much... Many in our area wont let you put on regular shingles. They have to be clay, or cedar shakes , no vynle siding, has to be wood, brick or stone. No stone drive ways neither, and rules that say you have to have you garage door shut, and no cars left over night in the driverway. Makes me mad. I refused to buy a parcel in those subdivisions. They would go crazy seeing me hang a dead buck in the back yard tree, my smoker in the yard to smoke fish, and my burn barrel would send the cops for a visit. Heck, I'm not even sure where I would through all my filleted fish bones, and they would flat out arrest me if I sighted in my muzzle loader with real black powder in da back yard. So, 8 miles north of Allenton , Wis is where I ended up.
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greg2222
Today, 12:24 PM
Austin,
Your summary of why "higher for longer is unsustainable" ......It will have an increasingly negative effect on the government budget....
It will incrementally weigh down profits, capex, and employment....
It will make homeownership affordability, already at multi-decade lows, even more out of reach....

I agree with your logic and why it is unsustainable. But, the big question is when does this happen? My take is that it doesn't happen until we have a recession. Most recessions last for a while and the market usually goes down in anticipation and even into the recession.
So the net is "higher for longer" until the recession wrings out the excesses and inflation is back to the 2% level. A recession will also cause interest rates to fall which is what you mention in your article. So, does it take 9 months or 24 months for all this to happen? What's your thought as you might be a bit early in your buy cycle.
@greg2222 Timing recessions is extremely difficult. I don't think anyone can really do it. But I do believe one is coming within a year or so given economic indicators like a weakening consumer, inverted yield curve, rising interest costs, tightening credit conditions, etc. My macro theses have been early in the past, but as a long-term investor I don't think buying defensive dividend stocks at current valuations is premature. Could they go down more? Sure. But in the long run, I believe the upside (and dividend growth) is far higher than the plausible downside.
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@Austin Rogers the average recession has been 10 months in length since the 1929 era. I haven't heard the FED or the administration say that we are in a recession yet. My bet is 6-8 months and a few market shocks to get to an "announced" recession, and then 10 months to get through it. That totals about 18 months before we start an expansion again. We haven't seen the worst so 30% down in the S&P has yet to happen. The 2 yr. treasury is already over 5%, so I can see the "higher longer theme" playing out, as it should really be 6% (FED late again).
@greg2222 I agree about the S&P 500, but many dividend stocks have already sold off to very attractive valuations. Doesn’t mean they can’t go down more, but it does mean they’re opportunistic for long-term investors.
Am dubious on EXR as a dividend growth stock, given that they cut their last two dividends.
@Ol' Hickory There was no dividend cut. They adjusted the timing of their dividend payout due to the LSI acquisition. EXR has grown their dividend for 13 years in a row.
@Austin Rogers Got it. I see how that worked. I would still wait for the March dividend, looking for an increase. PSA’s stability and CUBE’s track record of dividend growth are options in that REIT sector.
@Ol' Hickory Fair enough. CUBE isn't a bad pick either, in my estimation. But it does have the same dividend growth streak as EXR in terms of its 13-year dividend growth record. EXR's size, scale, and efficiency give it similar stability as PSA, in my view.
Really liked this article. Gets to the heart of our fiscal and monetary mismanagement. My take, we will continue to print money and paper over our debt as long as inflation continues to level out here and unemployment is low. Congress is split, Biden is not really all there(who is pulling his strings, LOL), so they cobble together appropriations bills injecting more money. Bottom line, I agree with Austin for the most part buying and holding Reits, Utes, oil, food companies etc. I did add to all this last week. I wish our government could be rational, but at least our debt to our estimated NAV of the USA is probably sustainable. Money printing makes hard assets go up over time, deflating their company debts. Just don’t see that changing anytime soon:)
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The same younger boomers you reference somehow bought homes in 1985-90 and just refinanced down as rates declined. They were not financed by their parents and paid student loans off. It’s not a showstopper for real estate. It cools the market, but doesn’t stop it.

I agree rates will drop sooner than expected - as we approach the ‘24 election cycle that’s less than a year from being full mania mode.

If anything was due for a drop it was tech - but now it appears it’s immune to interest rates?

Have to pass on any green energy stocks. Completely funded by taxpayer subsidies. The green premise of reducing fossil to change the climate is laughable - science highjacked by political science. NEP (of NEE) has stiff opposition in gaining green permits now. Windmills MTBF is failing even faster dramatically raising costs. EVs are sitting on dealer lots. I’ll stick with O&G for energy.
@Institutional Working No More The difference between 1985-1990 and now is the level of home prices. Homes were a lot cheaper back then (both on an absolute basis and as a percentage of median income), which made the double-digit mortgage rates tolerable (if still painful).
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CR488
Today, 9:58 AM
Thank you for your concise, well-explained and practical article. I think it makes the bear case clear and provides a solution that many could learn from. The question I have is why now? Interest rates have already been elevated the entire year. Do the recent comments by the Fed dramatically change things?
@CR488 Great question. I wrote an article for High Yield Landlord that Jussi Askola recently published on the public site answering this question: seekingalpha.com/...
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TSLX. What percent of the loans have office exposure if any?
@wildpatriot They are not a mortgage REIT. They make loans to businesses backed by those businesses’ assets, not to real estate investors backed by properties. So no meaningful exposure to office real estate that I’m aware of.
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Small correction. The US Federal government hasn’t had a real budget in probably 30 years. Government budgets when presented have to BALANCE. Just continuing resolutions to keep up the unsustainable spending.
Governments need true austerity. WHOLE departments need to go.

We are Rome 2.

www.mackinac.org/...
@DadRuss72 Mea culpa. I was using “budget” more in the colloquial sense of general fiscal policy rather than a literal, congressionally passed budget. I agree with you about austerity. There’s some strong evidence for this in the economic research. See my article from a few years ago about “The Monetary Death Spiral.”
As a holder of several BDC's, I am concerned that 'higher for longer' might be only measured in a couple quarters at best.

While satisfied with my BDC performance this year, I have started adding deep value REIT's to the portfolio, now that their yields are competitive.

Can the case be made that soon it will be time to fad BDC's and seek longer duration assets?
@StevenK1 If by fade, you mean sell and reinvest in other sectors like REITs, that’s not what I’m doing. But I’m a buy-and-hold-quality-companies kind of guy. I’m hanging on to my BDCs because (1) I could be wrong and we could have a soft landing, no recession, and high interest rates for longer than I’m assuming, and (2) even if I’m right, BDCs performed quite well in the low interest rate era. Low rates helped their borrowers.
@Austin Rogers Exactly what I meant (fad=fade/sell sorry). Thank you for response and views.
@StevenK1 Happy to be of service!
I like Fdus over Tslx especially when you factor in Tslx significant premium... Fdus has had spectacular performance and trades at a small discount
Added Schd recently
@Income4ever aka Cyclenut I will check out FDUS. Thanks for the recommendation!
Do you think these stocks will be affected by tax loss selling the next 2 months and better to wait?
@gastro4 At least some of them probably will. Up to you on the decision to go in now, wait a few months, or buy incrementally.
@gastro4 you just experienced a good bit of tax loss selling.

Most huge funds operate on fiscal year, not calendar year, and September is their fiscal year end.

September has historically been the worst performing month of the year and it's because of tax loss selling for the huge funds. Over the last few years they have started as early as August and with the market having performed as well as it did earlier in the year, these fund managers needed to lock in gains before getting their annual reports out.

The financial news media won't tell you this is going on, the fund managers would have a fit, but I learned about this years ago when I had my Series 6 license and dealt with funds.

Google it, worst month of the year will show up as September but the reason for it won't.

Yes, you'll get another tax loss session from retail investors but I always do mine in early August ahead of the huge funds and it allows me plenty of time for the wash rules to play out.
@Chowder thanks for the information
The whole argument sounds like a drug addict’s justification of why he needs more drugs. More drugs make the withdrawal symptoms go away but they don’t solve the underlying problem.
Abandoning monetary policy discipline will lead to double digit inflation, loss of reserve currency status for the dollar, and loss of credit from US debt holders. Long term interest rates would go up anyway because holders of US government debt will demand higher rates to offset the inflation and credit risk. No amount of QE will be enough to counter that.
That said, high quality companies and real estate would still be good investments in that environment - anything with tangible book value and pricing power that can offset inflation.
@Gary Gambino I think we disagree on (1) what the underlying problem is and (2) whether the Fed Funds Rate is the primary force causing inflation to subside.

I think the underlying cause of inflation was the combination of unprecedented levels of money printing/fiscal stimulus (especially direct checks and enhanced unemployment) and severe supply shortages during the pandemic. Inflation wasn’t caused by low interest rates, although those facilitated it to some degree. Fed policy was not the cause of the surge in inflation, and their relatively high FFR today is not the solution to it. While it is causing government and business interest expenses to soar and freezing the housing market, the fundamental drivers of the inflationary surge are now behind us. So it seems implausible that if the Fed lowered the FFR (and nothing else changed), inflation would make a meaningful resurgence.

The point of the article is that a “soft landing” looks highly improbable if “higher for longer” persists. And if and when “higher for longer” triggers a recession, the Fed won’t keep that policy going anyway. They’ll lower rates. Hence “higher for longer” is unsustainable.
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Spec70
Today, 10:06 AM
@Austin Rogers Agree that FFR is not the primary driver of inflation indices. However FFR and yield curve manipulation through QE is almost 100% responsible for increase and distortion of asset values, leading to increased wealth concentration. So I guess it comes down to whether one considers that a problem, or not.
@Spec70 I totally agree that ZIRP policy and QE promoted *asset inflation*. But I don’t think they had a meaningful effect on *consumer inflation* — aside from perhaps pushing up home prices.
own TSLX but too pricey right now, don't want to add at these levels. PEP still has a ways to fall to make it a buy. NEE is a possibility but I just bought NEP. VNQ might be worth a small bet
@Owen213 Thanks for your thoughts! I think I may have initiated a position in PEP a bit too early myself — in at a dividend yield of 3.16%. Probably should have waited until 3.25% or higher, but I’ve wanted to own it for a long time.
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@Austin Rogers I managed to buy PEP and KO in March 2020 (when barely anyone wanted to go to any restaurant) and I´m content with that.
@Gladiator321 Nice! Pretty much everything I bought in March 2020 was a great decision.
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Wouldn't touch REITs or utilities for the next few quarters. TSLX and other BCDs are good ideas.
@billwilliams836 Fair enough! Fundamentally, I think you’re correct that BDCs will perform better over the next few quarters than REITs. But from a valuation perspective, I think REITs are the better buy today for long-term holding periods.
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