W. P. Carey: The Spin-Off And The Spin

Sep. 24, 2023 6:00 PM ETW. P. Carey Inc. (WPC)32 Comments

Summary

The word trust printed on paper torn in half

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If you take a bath on a stock, you should let everyone know about it. The humbling experience and lessons that come with that are part of the investing experience. Today we share 3 key lessons from the W. P. Carey Inc. (

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Comments (32)

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PreCambrian
Yesterday, 8:00 PM
I bought at $59 during the Covid panic and thought that I got a great deal. However management must be getting some new stock options after the spin off in order to make this decision.

I basically made the same argument as @Trapping Value did in my comment in another article. seekingalpha.com/...

However that SA author pretty much said I was crazy and the spin off is a great idea. seekingalpha.com/...
Humble Eagles
Yesterday, 8:00 PM
Bullseye!
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brass7
Yesterday, 8:00 PM
O took big hits last week also. Any comments on its future price?
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DadRuss72
Yesterday, 7:42 PM
I wouldn’t open a new position in ANY reit now. Interest rates are gonna whack reits for the next few years.
But the preferreds. There’s a long list of them trading below par.
@DadRuss72 The myth of preferred safety died with the SEC's invention / implementation of the go-dark / expert market. Be careful.
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Chili7
Yesterday, 7:36 PM
I've held WPC for over 5 years and I find managements decision very disheartening. I'm retiring in the next two years and all I want is a few (or several) good REITs to drip into the sunset. First STOR and now WPC pull the rug out from underneath retail investors. It's getting to the point that I may just take a big chunk of SGOV and call it a day. REITs are not for the faint of heart and I get that, but I'm tired of aiming at a moving target. Maybe all will be rewarded when the rate hikes stop for good, but who knows. I sold at $59 at a small loss and I'm out.
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Income-Seeker
Yesterday, 7:20 PM
Very good article. And your graphic speaks volumes - TRUST, which is something investors no longer have with the WPC management. Raising the dividend then only a few days later surprising investors with this news is unacceptable, unprofessional and reeks of poor yet greedy management. Your comment re: selling the office assets over a period of 7-10 years would be what responsible management would do. After all, it isn't like they just woke up from a 3 years nap and suddenly discovered office assets are hurting. I liquidated my position while I still had a decent return but I'm done with this one. It is hauntingly similar to what happened a few years ago when Richard Kinder reported glowing results and the next day drastically cut the dividend. The phrase 'getting Kindered' is still used today and is very much apropos in this circumstance. All that said, thank you again for a well written article.
ckarabin
Yesterday, 7:15 PM
Shorn of the dreaded office properties, one would think that it would rerate up, except for the management blowing up its trust completely. They had been claiming their office properties were quality stuff, investment grade corporate headquarters under long term lease, so why the distress action? So much now depends on what those so called quality properties liquidate for, that is if anyone stays around in it long enough to find out.
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thebpr
Yesterday, 7:09 PM
What concerns me is the way there are almost acting out of panic. Selling after office has already tanked. Why woulf you do that unless you are inept or you see something ugly coming in the future. The good operators are getting ready for bad times. The great ones did so a year ago.
@thebpr they plan to finish selling Office was implemented November 2022. The original filling date of NLOP with the SEC is November 2022
This is a plan in motion not last minute
I see that 20 year Return Graph is from 2001-2020. Really? How about including the past 3 years? Per SA 10 Year Total Return: SPY (+206%), VNQ (+71%). You are right about overweighting any sector.
I have a rather moderate position in WPC but I'm still PO'ed. WPC had other, less draconian options for accelerating the move out of office space but they chose the most damaging option for the current investor base.
@D.S. Leach & C.E. Leach
The current base offers no more value to WPC. They are mostly sticky small investors from the CPA days.
Institutions have been telegraphing to Carey to concentrate on one sector Industrial/manufacturing. They are finally doing this after trying this 10 years ago.
I own Tanger Outlets and the distribution went to 0 for a while and now they had the best performance of all REITs after restructuring.
They also had a distribution hungry base.
Bottom line Wallstreet wants growth not a 6 percent yielding dog with no real growth.
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Thanks for the article and perspective. I am not happy but holding....for now. Waiting to see what management decides to do with the dividend and the spinoff.
jpm1jr
Yesterday, 6:49 PM
TV, the line from Caddy Shack is one of the reasons I follow you, and am a charter subscriber to CIP
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Buying below $50.
What I do depends, in part, on how it trades near term relative to the rest of the market, but I did double up. Remember, there is nothing new and different here. WPC has been a great holding. I do wonder why so sluggish lately. Insider trading? I do wonder if the class action vultures will descend. That’s a disgusting negative and I am a lawyer.
@hafen I don’t think you will see any class actions. They have been telegraphing this for a while. They never said they will keep office.
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Ron1634
Yesterday, 6:52 PM
@hafen - Dollars to Donuts, I am going to see class-action lawsuits mailed to me within the next month or two.
Fastrack.
Yesterday, 6:26 PM
Could be just a matter of time before another sector gets whacked with these high interest rates. It seems like all real estate equities fell last week. Is this the beginning of the Recession?
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Jerlyn111
Yesterday, 6:26 PM
Timing couldn’t be worse. The management and board of this company should be fired. All they had to do is wait till rates started dropping and the result would’ve been much more favorable but it’s obvious that they could care less about their shareholders
@Jerlyn111

Ultimately it depends on what happens to office building prices. Is this the bottom or are they going lower still?

The true judge of this move will be to look back 5 years later and see how office prices behaved.

But this really looks like buying high (office prices during ZIRP last decade) and selling low (office prices post covid post ZIRP).

If they are bottom ticking office prices with this move, they really need to be enthusiastically fired. I am a shareholder.
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Jerlyn111
Yesterday, 7:23 PM
@SuperBarbarian sadly, so am I
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Jonso
Yesterday, 7:31 PM
@Jerlyn111 no they could not
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usiah
Yesterday, 6:24 PM
Might use the proceeds of the spin sale to buy more.
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RacerX
Yesterday, 6:21 PM
Yep, just like Mr. Wonderful: I'm out.
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yoinum
Yesterday, 6:18 PM
Enjoyed your article even though I did not want to read it. What was particularly deceitful was that WPC raised their dividend just before this announcement. It was an attempt to increase the stock price so that insiders could sell before the announcement. A really admirable company.
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Rear View Mirror. Say "Bye Bye"
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