Energy Transfer: 9% Dividend Is Great But What About Capital Gains?

Sep. 20, 2023 9:58 PM ETEnergy Transfer LP (ET)13 Comments

Summary

  • Energy Transfer is the largest pipeline in the US, with over 100,000 miles of pipelines covering the entire country.
  • The company faces regulatory hurdles, such as the Dakota Access Pipeline and the denial of an LNG facility extension.
  • The Hubbert curve and minimum volume commitments pose challenges to future volumes and profitability for Energy Transfer and other pipeline companies.

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Energy Transfer (NYSE:ET) is the largest pipeline in the United States, with more than 100,000 miles of pipelines.

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Comments (13)

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I find some of your arguments to be flawed. For example, your argument on MVCs that says "if you do need to use your MVCs, that indicates business weakness not only currently but also in the future" and also says customers hitting their MVC also have reduced revenues & profits and may have financial problems that will change their approach to business and they will demand a lower MVC at renewal.

Having to use an MVC doesn't indicate weakness in the future. Commodities are cyclical. Using an MVC during 2020 COVID certainly didn't mean that those challenges would continue indefinitely in the future. A short 3 years later (post-COVID) and many pipeline companies are doing just fine.

Secondly, some of ET's problems over the past 9-10 years have been self inflicted and aren't an indictment of the entire pipeline space. You're painting with an extremely broad brush.
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Well written article which lays out both pros and cons which many others with an agenda or talking their book fail to do. MVC IMO is a key metric in this whole landscape and have searched but yet to find the extent that these contract provisions have kicked in for major players and believe those cases should be required disclosures. That information would clear up a lot of questions in how to evaluate Growth capex, Maintenance capex, not to mention projecting rate increases or, dare I say it, flat or decreasing on underused capacity or cases where MVC has kicked in.
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Bill -like your articles on ET, however, please note advancements in Fracking Technology as noted from Exxon this past June.

Exxon CEO says technology advances could double its shale output
By Sabrina Valle
June 1, 20233:59 PM PLease read the article, easy google search. Other majors have said the same. On the Hubbort Curve, wonder what that would be looking like if Trump was re-elected. I doubt it would be in such a downward trend. AS far as MLP trends, I sold in January 2020 with the fear of a COVID19 crash. Bought back in around March 2020, got a lot of ET in the low 4s, more in the upper 5s, Crestwood dirt cheap, MPLX was also a steal. So my MLP chart have double and triples in it in 3 years time.
You make some good points with DAPL which could be a negative. I don't see the pipeline getting shut down though.

ET should be in the $15-16 range which at that point I stop buying unless somthing changes
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Yesterday, 11:34 PM
The Bakken chart you share implies production peaked in 2015 too...

Not sure that chart indicates production going down rather just another peak was hit in 2019.

Agree with the risks you lay out but don't think peak oil is one to worry about the next few decades
I would argue, if DAPL was faced with underutilization, a short connection would bring Canadian Oil into play. As brain dead as the Biden Administration is, the Trudeau Administration is worse. He would much rather flush their Oil south. As liberals keep "electrifying" by mandate with an Electric Grid on collapse, I think oil & gas pipelines have a bright future.
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@castleman Here's a Wall Street Journal audio clip that talks about the whole green thing and Exxon - nothing like stuff that backs you up. You can listen to the 2 minute clip w/o a subscription. The second link talks about the state of oil production in the US as it compares to the rest of the world. (first chart) And the nail in the coffin is the second chart that shows the out of whack balance of our needs vs. our production capacity. Just compare what we produce against how much we consume. www.wsj.com/...
www.eia.gov/...
Will share prices of ET and other high yield midstream companies or limited partners improve once fed starts to lower interest rates? Seems logical that prices will increase.
@Bill Zettler love ya man but I can poke more holes in this article than there are periods at the end of each sentence, and if I can, so can everyone else who understands ET, it's associated diversity and pipelines in general. You can and have done better. It's definitely not up to your usual standards.
Sad. . .
Respectfully, so many factors to consider such as oil price change 2014 and thereafter. Especially during covid when oil went to zero. Reduction of distribution by ET and post covid interest rate environment. I would also imagine the Hubbert Curve theory has innovations in science to assist in forecasting. Sorry, can't accept the thesis.
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ET, SUN, MLPA, and AMZA made new 52 week highs today.
The government wants to terminate pipelines?
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@LifelongMetsfan1 No, just Population Inflation Reduction Act . Cheers!
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