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Energy Transfer's Operations Shine, But Risks For Unitholders Remain

Aug. 15, 2023 6:04 PM ETEnergy Transfer LP (ET)13 Comments

Summary

  • In the second quarter, Energy Transfer LP's operations outperformed, but EBITDA fell short of expectations.
  • Low commodity prices caused the miss, but price momentum has shifted positively in the third quarter as prices recovered.
  • We maintain our Buy rating and $15.25 price target.
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Aerial View of a Texas Oil Refinery and Fuel Storage Tanks

Art Wager

Energy Transfer LP (NYSE:ET) posted an impressive operating performance in its second-quarter results. The company set throughput records in every segment but those related to crude oil. The table below shows the dramatic improvement over

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Comments (13)

Bob-in-DE profile picture
Bob-in-DE
Yesterday, 7:28 PM
I share the author's concerns. They do know how to run a pipeline but that risk management and capital structure stuff they ain't the best at. That's why I own the pref but not the common. The Series A is my fav.
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coinman507
Yesterday, 7:27 PM
You hit the nail right on the head,to much expansion for me and to much debt.I also own EPD which is very conservative compared to ET.
robkrow profile picture
Good objective observations. Thanks.
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A balanced view. Highly appreciated. Long ET, but being super cautious. Like you. I would be much more comfortable with more deleversging.
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Let’s take your concerns and explore them:

O leverage us too high. Yes it is higher then other mlps however it is at the target management stated they wanted to get to. As capital spend continues to be spent the assumption is that dcf will grow. As dcf grows even if debt remains flat the multiple will be reduced because the denominator will be increasing. ET could get to 4.0 times just by increasing dcf $1b. That is about $6b of capital invested or 2-3 years.

O they have $3-4b excess dcf per year. If they spend 2-3b on growth cap ex the excess could be used to reduce debt at $1b a year.

O the issue of the 44.5m units is not dilutive. They issued those units ( plus cash) to get an additional $900mm of dcf. That transaction is clearly accretive. Management said as much in their call.

I believe management is making a big mistake in not using excess cash to buy back preferred. For every $1 of preferred bought they save .10 in dividends and reduce debt by .50 cents by rating agency purposes. This team is smart. I just don’t understand the reasoning. Chasing BBB only helps if they plan on re issuing their debt. But it only helps by maybe .25 basis points. They are focusing on Pennies when they could be chasing quarters.
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@Texasthump right on target. this is why et fell more than the ex date indicator. also management has a record of poor returns on their "immediately" accretive projections. I am very long et and am frustrated that the cowboys aren't at 4x or less based on generated cash flows. oh well guess I will sit back, collect distributions, and forget about the fanboys calling for 15 16 17 20 etc unit fantasy
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Pops007
Yesterday, 7:39 PM
@Texasthump Those pfd's are treated as 50% equity. Helps that ratio. They look like a reasonable place to move some MM money.
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This seems to be a very common complaint about this company. Who benefits by this constant "expansion "
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chi_tino
Yesterday, 6:38 PM
@Whathappens now Their incremental dollars of investment for the past decade have destroyed value, as they don't nearly cover the cost of capital. That's why, after "investing" the past $30 billion of capex, their cash flows have gone nowhere (with the exception of the one-time windfall from the Feb 2021 storm in TX). I sold my ET years ago and sleep a lot better after putting it back into the C and E preferreds, which have outperformed the equity under any timeframe.
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@Whathappens now kw ego benefits
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@chi_tino if you go back in time the dollars they invested increased their dcf substantially. What the issue is people believe their return on capital was not stellar. KW grew assets and cash flow using units and debt.

Now the question is how they use that dcf . Use it the right way and ET is a $25 unit price in three years. Use it the wrong way and they are $15.
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