Applied Digital Corporation (APLD) Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

Applied Digital Corporation (NASDAQ:APLD) Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call April 6, 2023 9:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Alex Kovtun - IR, Gateway Group, Inc.

Wes Cummins - Chief Executive Officer

David Rench - Chief Financial Officer

Conference Call Participants

Lucas Pipes - B. Riley

Rob Brown - Lake Street Capital

George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital Group

John Todaro - Needham and Company

Mike Grondahl - Northland Capital Markets

Kevin Dede - H. C. Wainwright

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Applied Digital’s Third Quarter – Third Fiscal Quarter 2023 Conference Call. My name is Melissa and I will be your operator today.

Before the call, Applied Digital issued its financial results for the third quarter of fiscal 2023 ended February 28, 2023 in a press release, a copy of which will be furnished in a report on Form 8-K filed with the SEC and will be available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website.

Joining us on today's call are Applied Digital’s Chairman and CEO, Wes Cummins; and CFO, David Rench. Following their remarks, we will open the call for questions.

Before we begin, Alex Kovtun from Gateway Group will make a brief introductory statement. Mr. Kovtun, please go ahead.

Alex Kovtun

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Applied Digital’s fiscal third quarter 2023 conference call.

Before management begins their formal remarks, we would like to remind everyone that some statements we're making today may be considered forward-looking statements under securities laws and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. As a result, we caution you that there are a number of factors, many of which are beyond our control, which could cause actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. For more detailed risks, uncertainties and assumptions relating to our forward-looking statements please see the disclosures in our earnings release and public filings made with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We disclaim any obligation or undertaking to update forward-looking statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward-looking statements are made, except as required by law.

We will also discuss non-GAAP financial metrics and encourage you to read our disclosures and the reconciliation tables to applicable GAAP measures in our earnings release carefully as you consider these metrics. We refer you to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for detailed disclosures and descriptions of our business, as well as uncertainties and other variable circumstances, including but not limited to risks and uncertainties identified under the caption “Risk Factors” and our annual report on Form 10-K. You may get Applied Digital’s Securities and Exchange Commission filings for free by visiting the SEC website at www.sec.gov.

I would like to remind everyone that this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay via a link available in the Investor Relations section of Applied Digital's website.

Now, I will turn the call over to Applied Digital's Chairman and CEO, Wes Cummins. Wes?

Wes Cummins

Thanks, Alex, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us for our fiscal third quarter 2023 conference call. I want to start by thanking our employees for their ongoing hard work including our construction and operations team for getting through the winter and keeping our facilities operational and construction timeline reasonable.

Before turning the call over to our CFO, David Rench for a detailed review of our financial results, I'd like to touch on some updates from our business over the last quarter and why we remain excited about the future and in our ability to deliver long-term high margin sustainable cash flow.

Let's start with an update on our two newest facilities, Ellendale and Garden City. We successfully completed energization of our 180 megawatt facility in Ellendale, North Dakota in early March. This marks the second facility that we energized within North Dakota following the successful 100 megawatt facility in Jamestown that was energized in 2022. Recall that we broke ground on Ellendale in September, ‘22 and are now powering and operating the new site only six months after initial work began. This is a tremendous accomplishment given the harsh winter weather we experienced in North Dakota over the last several months along with some construction delays.

We continue to ramp up our capacity and anticipate this first half of capacity will be turned on by the end of April and the rest to be turned on by the end of June. The facility is fully contracted by Marathon for five years with a flat rate agreement and our agreement begins upon energization. Once fully energized, this location will bring Applied Digital to 280 megawatts of hosting capacity across all – our facilities in North Dakota, all of which are contracted out to customers on multi-year terms.

In addition to Ellendale, we're making great progress on our 200 megawatt Garden City facility in Texas. The construction of Garden City is complete and over 130 megawatts of miners are installed and ready to turn on. Our customers are continuing to send miners to the facility and we're actively installing them. Given the unique behind the meter aspect of this facility, we're awaiting final approval on some final technical details and expect to resolve these issues in the coming weeks to begin energizing the facility.

Once we energize our Garden City facility, we anticipated ramping faster than our Ellendale facility due to the amount of miners already installed. As a reminder, both our Ellendale and Garden City facilities are fully contracted with fixed prices and we are not exposed any volatility in the cryptocurrency markets.

Our 100 megawatt Jamestown facility continues to perform as expected and operated at full capacity throughout the quarter as we delivered revenue of $14.1 million in the quarter exceeding the $12 million steady-state capabilities of the facility that we previously discussed. As mentioned on our last call, we successfully retrofitted a small portion of our existing facility in Jamestown to accommodate HPC requirements to support a web three application with a non-crypto customer.

We have decided rather than to use the GPU capacity for the web three application, it would be better used for machine learning and AI applications and have onboarded multiple customers and recognized our first HPC revenue in the quarter. We also broke ground on a 5-megawatt standalone facility adjacent or Jamestown site in December that will host several hundred graphics processing units for machine learning application with a new customer.

Our first GPUs in the new facility are expected to be operational later this month or early May. The build-out will be completed in two additional stages with the first scheduled to come online this summer, and the second later in the year. When finalized, we expect to have over 7,000 NVIDIA A100 class GPUs in the building, making it one of the largest GPU clusters of its kind in the world.

Importantly, it's worth noting that demand for hosting capacity across our facilities has not been impacted during the last several months and we're exploring numerous opportunities.

Now let's discuss the HPC opportunity in front of us and why we're excited about the year ahead. While we continue to see robust demand from cryptocurrency miners, we aim to diversify our customer base and exposure to the growing segments of the HPC market, as we believe that will be the highest return of capital in the long-term for our shareholders.

Our goal remains to get at least 10% of our revenue from HPC by the end of this calendar year and ultimately diversify our revenue to a 50/50 split by 2025. We remain optimistic about the growth opportunities in HPC, while which is expected to reach 900 billion globally by 2030 and remain well positioned to capitalize on this opportunity.

As data continues to grow at an exponential rate, more data sources will required - will be required to store the data and we believe our next-generation facilities are ideal hosting sites for HPC applications as they can accommodate the unique demands for this growing industry. Our data centers offer a more purpose-built solution offering, lower costs, combined with higher computing power compared to traditional data centers that are typically focused on delivering low latency and high computing power.

We are well positioned for success in this space, given our expertise in hosting Bitcoin mining and realize the HPC applications require a different type of engineering that more resembles what you would see in an ASIC world at Bitcoin mining because of its dense power. The density of racks is a key point as each HPC applications require a different set up that provides sufficient power and cooling to handle those unique needs and properly scale efficiently.

These applications don't require ultra-low latency and so we believe that the deciding factor on whether these applications will be hosted comes down to the cost of compute. Our next-generation data centers are optimized for green computing, and we aim to be the lowest cost compute provider, which are access to renewable energy and air cooling.

To close, we remain confident that Applied Digital will continue to be a leader in digital infrastructure with our next-generation data centers. Demand for our services from both traditional customers and emerging HPC applications remains robust, which validates our position as a financially strong and leading digital infrastructure provider to serve various hosting needs.

With that update, I'll pass it over to our CFO, David Rench for a financial update.

David Rench

Thanks, Wes, and good morning everyone. Before I begin my remarks, I would like to note that like last quarter's call, since we did not have operations in a year ago comparable period, we will not be providing any year-over-year comparisons.

Revenues in the fiscal third quarter were $14.1 million, which were entirely attributable to our hosting operations. The Jamestown site operated at full capacity throughout Dakota. Cost of revenues in the fiscal third quarter were $10.5 million, consisting of $8.6 million of energy cost to generate our hosting revenues, $900,000 of depreciation and amortization expense and $1 million of personnel expense for employees directly working at our Jamestown hosting facility.

Adjusted gross profit, a non-GAAP measure that excludes depreciation embedded in the cost of revenues and one-time, electricity charges was $4.4 million or 31% of revenue for the fiscal third quarter of 2023.

Operating expenses for the fiscal third quarter of 2023 were $10.5 million, which includes $4.5 million of stock-based compensation, $3.9 million in other selling general and administrative costs and $1.1 million in depreciation and amortization expenses.

Net loss attributable to Applied Digital for the fiscal third quarter of 2023 was a loss of $7 million or a loss of $0.08 per basic and diluted share based on a weighted average share count during the quarter of approximately $94.1 million.

Adjusted net loss attributable to Applied Digital for the fiscal third quarter of 2023 was a loss of $7 million or a loss of $0.08 per basic and diluted share, based on a weighted average share count during the quarter of approximately $94.1 million.

Adjusted net loss attributable to Applied Digital, a non-GAAP measure for the fiscal third quarter of 2023 was a loss of $1.4 million, or a loss of $0.01 per basic and diluted share, based on a weighted average share count during the quarter of approximately $94.1 million. Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure for the fiscal third quarter of 2023 was $900,000.

Lastly, on our balance sheet. We ended the fiscal third quarter of 2023 with $22.9 million in cash and cash, equivalents and $23.7 million in debt. During the third fiscal quarter of 2023, we received $11.7 million in net customer deposits and $32.3 million in net deferred revenue, which collectively amounted to a $44 million net cash inflow due to the structure of our commercial arrangements with our customers that incorporate upfront deposits and prepayments.

In certain contracts, the prepayments were amortized back to the customers for the first year of their contract with no impact to revenue recognition, but the timing of cash flow with upfront cash to us is a major benefit for the company and that it helps with our CapEx funding needs as we build our data centers.

Our balance sheet remains strong and we have no exposure to Celsius Network, First Republic Bank, FTX, Signature Bank, Silicon Valley Bank, or Silver Gate Capital Corporation.

Now turning to guidance. Similar to last quarter, we will not be providing explicit guidance for the fourth quarter, given the revenue materiality of our Garden City potentially coming online and the continued ramp of the Ellendale facility that should occur in the fiscal fourth quarter.

Once those facilities are online, we will have nearly 500 megawatts of hosting capacity that we expect to put us in an annualized adjusted EBITDA run rate of approximately $100 million.

That completes my financial summary. Now I'll turn the call over to Wes for closing remarks.

Wes Cummins

Thank you, David. I want to add a little more detail around our expectations for the current quarter. While we expect Garden City to energize during the quarter, if we exclude it completely and look at our expected ramp of Ellendale, we expect to generate approximately $24 million of revenue and approximately $4 million of EBITDA.

Before we get to Q&A, I’d like to quickly go over some key goals and initiatives for our company as we look to the future of Applied Digital. We remain focused on operating our Jamestown facility of high, efficiency and look forward to energizing our Garden City facility and continuing to make progress at our Ellendale facility in the near term.

We will also continue to build out our non-crypto use cases to demonstrate the broad capabilities of our next-generation data center assets for HPC applications. So while the crypto industry remains volatile, we are well positioned to capitalize on strong demand for both crypto and non-crypto customers for our services.

I remain optimistic about our future and what thank all of our team members for their dedication and service to Applied Digital.

With that operator, let's open up the call for questions.

Question-And-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Lucas Pipes with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Lucas Pipes

Thank you very much operator and good morning everyone. Congrats on the progress at Ellendale and I do want to ask about Garden City. You mentioned an expectation that it could come online in the coming weeks. And I wondered if you could touch on the level of confidence on that for that statement and in terms of a faster pace of energization, which was also mentioned in the prepared remarks is the ability to quantify the cadence of the ramp once you have those final metering issues, resolved. Thank you very much.

Wes Cummins

Thanks, Lucas. This is Wes. Let me try to explain the specific issue, the primary issue that we're dealing with. And it is an issue which was behind the meter installation we're not unique right now in Texas and there is several large projects turning on or trying to turn on and I think we might be the only Bitcoin mining project of its kind.

So there's several other kind of projects that are turning on. The issue at the way they settle on metering and the visibility they want in to the power gen plus the grid energy and there's an issue with double settlement or being double counted. There's not - or that say there wasn't really a framework for this in ERCOT and we're dealing with it mostly in the Encore side from a metering perspective.

ERCOT had a meeting last week for they had a rule change that should solve this issue. So now it's back in the hands of Encore. We think that issue is solved, but they typically seem to move very slow. So while it wouldn't be, didn't happen the next day, we expect some really meaningful progress on finalizing – there is - just my opinion, some very simple solutions for it, but it just had to go to through the process and it feels like the process is now largely complete with the rule change, with the ERCOT it should solve the issue with Encore, not just for us, but for several different people. And so, we expect this to move forward in the very near term. So, hopefully, that makes sense.

As far as the pace of energizing, so recall Ellendale, this is, as we build, we’re energizing. The buildings will go up much faster. Now, we had all the concrete poured. We're finalizing the buildings. All of them get worked on in stages. But now it's just turning on each building as it's completed as the miners are racked and as they're available to turn on.

So that that's much more like we did in Jamestown. But because, we originally expected Garden City to energize much earlier, the construction is complete, the large majority of the miners are already racked. So we're not doing it in those types of stages as we've done in North Dakota. So, when we have the final approval, when we're ready to turn on all of these buildings are ready to turn on, so you could see these come up in just a week or two.

It still takes a little bit of effort on each building. But they're already in place and ready to go. That's why we would expect that to ramp up significantly faster than we're seeing in Ellendale over that we saw in Jamestown last year.

Lucas Pipes

That's very helpful. I appreciate the color Wes. And for my second question, I do want to turn to HPC. And could you share some light on what an anchor agreement could look like terms of revenue, unit, economics, term duration? And then, what would be the capital - potential capital requirements for a large HPC kind of anchor tenant? Thank you very much.

Wes Cummins

Sure, sure. So, there's a couple of different models that were exploring with HPC. So, there is a model where, the first ones that we're running in our - and what we call the HPC class and it's the retrofitted portion of one of the mining buildings. We own those GPUs. We rent the capacity out. I think we mentioned with that three customers live on those doing mostly machine learning, deep learning applications and it's been it's been going really well.

If you recall we have a software partner that is helping us with that on the front end that loads onto the system. So that's gone very well. As we move into the pilot phase of the new building, so it'll be around 300 GPUs that will ramp up, those will also be owned by us. And so, we have customers when customers that are booked for those GPUs as well.

And then the rest of the building can go in one of two ways. So there's a potential for us to do just co-location on those areas. And if you think about co-location, at good areas, we've gotten a kind of put a finer point on this a good way to think about this is on a per megawatt basis and I'm just comping that to what we do with Bitcoin mining, because that’s what we’ve done so far.

You should expect more in the 10 to 12 times revenue versus per megawatt versus the Bitcoin hosting for the HPC applications and similar lift in EBITDA maybe even slightly higher, might be a little bit better margin on the EBITDA front from an HPC co-location. If we move forward with owning GPUs, if that is what we land with our customer, it’s significant step up again as far as revenue and EBITDA.

But if we own the GPUs in the entire facility and we booked those out and we’d only do that if we had the right style of customer to do that and a very large solid counterparty to do that, that building would generate well north of $100 million of revenue and upwards of $50 million or $60 million of EBITDA. So, we are still working through how – what the business model. I think it will be a little bit split there.

But right now, we are fully funded on our balance sheet now. We saw where the quarter ended with cash. As of yesterday, the company had about $41 million of cash. So actually a significant step up but that was the debt facility that went in place post the close of the quarter on the Ellendale facility that boosted that, But we are fully funded to build the building and to put the GPUs that we plan to put inside the building currently and we're working on financing, if we're going to move forward with owning more of the GPUs.

But I think when you think about a longer-term model here, you should really think about co-location model is what we're chasing, and then blend it in with some GPU ownership when necessary.

Lucas Pipes

Very, very helpful. The $100 million revenue. What size of building would that be? Thanks a lot Wes.

Wes Cummins

That’s the just the current build. The 5 megawatts if we owned all the GPUs and did a leasing business more of an integrated model, like what you would see with an AWS, it would be, I said $100 million, it would be well north of $100 million.

Lucas Pipes

The 5 megawatts, that's super helpful. West and team really appreciate the color and all the best of luck. Thank you.

Wes Cummins

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Rob Brown

Good morning. Wanted to get a little more color on the Jamestown facility as you consider that $14 million revenue above, it sort of nameplate capacity. What drove that? And do you see that continuing?

Wes Cummins

Yeah, good morning, Rob. Thanks for the question. So, just higher efficiency in the quarter for us was part of it. There was a little bit of a price lift. We do have the ability to increase price somewhat on our customers because we do have – I think we've talked about this before. Last quarter, you saw a lower gross margin for us and it's kind of the lagging effect of, energy prices move around some at that facility and then we do pricing changes for our customers, but it's lagging. And so, we catch up with the pricing change.

And then, so, you could see that go - fluctuate up and down. We are turning on a little bit more. So we have with about 6 megawatts of Marathon containers at that facility that we expect to turn on any day that will boost the operations there a little bit. But I think that, kind of that level that somewhere in the in the 13 to on the on the upper bound, maybe 15 million or 16 million of revenue is reasonable on a quarterly basis from Jamestown.

Rob Brown

Okay, great. And then, just wanted to get a little bit in the cash flow of the customer prepayments and deferred revenue. Is it that would happen over 12 months, how long does it take to sort of burn off that balance sheet prepayment and sort of normalize the cash flow on the - against the – that you are reporting?

Wes Cummins

Yeah, so, basically, from the customers when their contract turns on, when we energize that portion of the contract, we begin to amortize that prepayment back to them. And so, we get - it’s four months, it's fairly simple. So it's four months of prepayments we amortize back over 12 months. And then, once we go through a full 12 months, that that deferred revenue will be gone off the balance sheet.

Obviously, from a P&L perspective, you get the deferred revenue and you still get the same earnings impact. From a cash flow perspective, you should, think about as we're building a $100 million run rate for the first year of that run rate, the cash conversion from EBITDA to cash flow is going to be lower. But there still will be significant positive cash flow for the company as we amortize that back to the customers and then, when after you get through that year the cash flow versus the EBITDA should move up more towards you know 80% or 90%.

Rob Brown

Great. Thank you. I'll turn it over.

Wes Cummins

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of George Sutton with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed with your question.

George Sutton

Thank you. Wes, one thing I wanted to just clarify, because we had multiple clients concerned about the proposed permitting framework in Texas, the Texas Legislature. You are, well, beyond that the modest delay we have had has nothing to do with that. That is a correct statement?

Wes Cummins

Yeah, that's correct. And that's, so there's a couple of things going there, there George, and it's new. Some of the stuff which is just yesterday that, we don't think, so, from that site specifically, so we're beyond that portion. And then also from - on that site, specifically, they are talking about the grid balancing or the demand response benefits in the legislature now.

And our – the setup of that site, it is not an area where - it's not where we take advantage of those programs in Texas, to reach the price on energy that we're contracting there, that we’re contracting there. So, we don't believe it has any impact on us.

George Sutton

Gotcha. Great. And then, on the use cases for the HPC, I want to make sure I fully understood when we talk machine learning versus what I was viewing as large language models. I just want to make sure, have we seen somewhat of a use case change as we look to deploy in new customer?

Wes Cummins

No, no, the large language models are falling in that machine learning category. So it's beyond some training model. When I say machine learning, it's, training the model, A, you can, if you want to call it AI or machine learning, but the applications that are running now include, what we call natural language processing.

George Sutton

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Wes Cummins

Thanks George.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Todaro with Needham and Company. Please proceed with your question.

John Todaro

Thanks for taking my question guys. Two questions here. First on the Bitcoin mining piece. Can you just remind us for, at least your major mining contract, when those are up for renewal? And then, any expectations you have with the - having coming up in Q1 ‘24 which should raise those mining across questions, I should ask?

Wes Cummins

Yeah, so the contracts are - the vast majority is contracted which are under five year contracts that are effectively just starting as we energize - we energize Ellendale. In Jamestown, I think, I don't know the - off the top of my head, the exact contract life remaining, but it's probably in the two-and-a-half year time frame. And so that's the majority of our contracts.

And then, on the on the having – yeah, they're having event, I mean it's pretty simple to go - to think through that, we think our current customers, I think we run a really efficient operation and our current customers are very profitable at the current Bitcoin price and significantly below the Bitcoin price. But when you think about just about variable cost. But effectively, your cost will increase double at the having event. So that really depends on two things.

It's the price of Bitcoin and then the network hash rate. And, the - John, the thing about Bitcoin over the life that it has had is generally, there's a self-correcting mechanism, in the network of hash rate versus price that allows miners to stay profitable. There will be periods of time where they won't be. But at the end of the day, you're looking for the most efficient guys.

I think they're the ones who will stay online post to having. We're running only S19 Pro and the majority of what we're turning on now and will be in our current - the new facilities are all XPs. So running the - all the latest model mining equipment and so we think that we and our customers are well positioned for that.

John Todaro

Got it. Thanks for that. And then, just the other question on the HPC segment, obviously, a lot of interest in the space recently. I would imagine, that's kind of increased something the competition there. Could you just discuss that a little bit and some of the competitive landscape there?

Wes Cummins

Yeah. I expect there to be plenty of competition and people entering the space. I expected from the traditional data center providers. I expect new entrants to come into the space. I think it's a really large opportunity. And just to kind of frame this opportunity and why I think we have this opportunity and what the opportunity set is, we talked about these next-generation data centers a fair amount.

But let me just give you, kind of some comps of traditional data centers versus what we're building and what we see in the future. So, traditional data center, we talk about it's generally built for ultra-low latency, energized video streaming all of those types of things. Traditional data centers build, racked - power to the rack, typically for a full rack, they deliver about 7.5 kilowatts.

And so generally their capability is somewhere around 10 to 15 kilowatts to a rack. When we load a rack full of, - a video box with eight, a 100 GPUs, which is the kind of the gold standard right now for machine learning and AI, that that – if you want that rack full, it requires about 40 kilowatts to power that rack. So you're looking versus what traditionally they're almost a five-fold increase in the power needed and then that really directly correlates to the amount of heat created.

But, we're talking to the largest players in the industry and we're spending a lot of time with them and so that the view is things are going from 40 to 70 to kilowatt needs per rack. So you are bringing this power density. It's increasing significantly and it's really difficult to retrofit older data centers to do this. And then they might be, then you're thinking about the amount of power that they need.

And I think you're going to see a trend or specifically machine learning and AI, because it's a very unique load that it looks a lot more like what we're handling now to move them closer to the power source. You don't need this ultra-low latency aspect for these. So we're positioned very well. We have, large amounts of low-cost power.

We're sitting mostly in very cold locations. In our data center, for example, the airflow is significantly higher than you would see from a traditional, just because we want to use air cooling to cut down on the electricity usage and lower our cost significantly. So traditional data center, maybe half a mile per hour of air flow through, you can see our new facility is designed for around eight miles per hour of air flow, just massive amounts of air flow for the cooling.

Because the climate in North Dakota is, is absolutely perfect for this. We are sitting on a fiber grid. We have 100 Gig connectivity now. We are going to 400 Gig to the end - at the end of the year. So we have really good fiber connectivity, which is also necessary. You just don't need the ultra-low latency aspect. But we're sitting in a really good spot.

Now, is it easy for everyone to go into this space? Just like we've seen in building out hosting capacity for Bitcoin mining, that was hard. I think this is even harder. We’ve put a really good team in place. We’ve pulled some people out of a large company that builds data centers here in the US and actually internationally, as well.

They were building data centers for some of the largest hyperscalers. So we have people that are experienced with doing this. We've spent a lot of time designing the specific design. Now we're implementing it. So I do think we're, we have a significant lead versus almost everyone out there. We've seen a few other smaller players that have been doing this for a few years.

But I think you're going to see some of the larger ones move towards it. But I do think we have a pretty good advantage, given where we are now, where the sites that we already have, the operations that we already have and the knowledge base we have with our - really, on our electrical engineering, as far as being able to deal with this kind of power density already.

But I do expect competition. I expect it to be an extraordinarily large industry, and there's no way you will have one industry like that without a lot of competition.

John Todaro

Got it. That's great. Thanks, Wes. Appreciate it.

Wes Cummins

Yes. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from of Mike Grondahl of Northland Securities. Please go ahead.

Mike Grondahl

Hey guys, thanks. Wes, when do you think you kind of have a green light on the HPC opportunity? Is that when the 5 megawatts are sort of up and running? And that's shown everybody you can do this? Is that this summer, this fall, when you think you have that? And then, what could the HPC business look like in two to three years in terms of number of megawatts and sort of a rough range for revenue?

Wes Cummins

Sure. So I gave the kind of the revenue comparison earlier. I can repeat that if you want me to, but just to kind of frame where we think HPC is as far as revenue versus the Bitcoin mining, the green lights, we've kind of - we're definitely – it maybe like we've moved from red to yellow already. So we're operating in our site. We see that these works, we've see that the network connectivity works.

We see the software works. We see these this setup works. Now, as we bring the building on, there will be some fine tuning on the 5 megawatt building for - from a design perspective, for sure, just like we did some tuning up from when we built in Jamestown versus what we built in Garden City and Ellendale.

But we're really close and the conversations that we're having and the people we’re having these conversations with has really given me and the team a large amount of confidence that we are moving in the right direction. As far as, what that could look like right now, if we are trying to think about what that could look like a few years out, I mean, we talked about getting to a 50/50 split.

I think the demand that is out there for this type of data center build is large right now. And the people that we're talking to about hosting or about GPU rental, it's very large quantities. And, it's something that depending on how a few of these things go over the next few months is that this business will be potentially very material by the end of this year.

But it could ramp extraordinarily quickly. But - and if it starts, Mike, if it starts to go this way, it's kind of one of these, right - I think there will be a really long runway of growth. But the conversations we’re having right now, what we're seeing demand of people wanting individual demand of 10 or 20 megawatts and some 50 and 100 megawatts of HPC build, which is a very large amount given, like I said, with the numbers were that I gave you earlier in the call about the revenue comparison for HPC versus Bitcoin mining.

But we're seeing a lot of demand. We're getting to some certifications that we need. The we will get in the summer, but I don't know that that's going to stop us from signing some large customers prior to even reaching that, because it's, these are really in the stage of development projects that will need to be built and turned on.

And so, the cadence might call for some of these to come on there to be signed at least earlier than what may be I initially expected.

Mike Grondahl

Got it. Okay. And hey, I took away is the revenue comparison, it's like 10 to 12 times.

Wes Cummins

Yes.

Mike Grondahl

Revenue generate of a miner. Okay. Got it.

Wes Cummins

And that's for - Mike, that's for co-location. So if we just do the hosting that that's I think a good comparison right now. And if we own the GPUs, it's significantly higher than that.

Mike Grondahl

Got it. Okay, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Dede with H. C. Wainwright. Please proceed with your question.

Kevin Dede

Hi Wes. Thanks for - thanks for the discussion on, on the HPC side. I guess, it sort of begs, it sort of begs, the question given that you seem pretty fully contracted out on 500. What other - can you give us, I guess, a peek into the pipeline for your next round of builds, your next site acquisition and that kind of timing?

Wes Cummins

Yes. So, we have a we have a very good site identified in another cold region not in North Dakota, that has a good power price for us. We're optioning that site. I actually - we have demand for Bitcoin mining for that site. But we're seeing the amount - the amount of demand I think we're seeing emerge on the HPC front. I think it's the likelihood that it goes towards HPC is extraordinarily high. But we do have another site identified and we also expect to expand at the Jamestown site even further. But those are the two primary ones in the pipeline.

Kevin Dede

Okay. Does Jamestown entail like another set of buildings or you are going to kind of do it in those 5 megawatt increments?

Wes Cummins

The next build for HPC in Jamestown would be a larger - above the 5 megawatts. And recall – I guess, I recall – but originally in Jamestown, we expected to go to 200 megawatts. And so, I think we can push that beyond 100 with the power provider there with HPC. I am not certain what that limit is for us just yet.

But we do think that we can expand at that site, but then we'll push more towards new sites. But we have identified one very attractive site that will we expect to move forward with.

Kevin Dede

Okay. Can you just dig in a little bit on the co-location versus, I guess, the machine owned business models in HPC, Wes? How do you approach that from a financing perspective?

Wes Cummins

So from a financing perspective, the goal - so on the, on the - owning, the GPUs will be significantly more expensive. That these are - you guys probably know the pricing on these types of GPUs that are extremely high. So, we - our team on the finance side has done a great job to-date getting us very low-cost financing for the sites that we have for that particular market if you want to own the GPUs, there is a much better really well developed financing mechanism and financing market for that.

So we've already are down that path. And I think we'll be able to tap some of that financing. And we are on kind of the initial build. But if it is going to be extraordinarily large, we're working on solutions around that. But it is it is capital-intensive. So if you want to do the full, the fully integrated model is, is one that we will pursue some to what amount I don't know.

And it's going to be, you know, could it be limited by our ability to finance that? Yes. On the co-location side, I don't think we'll have any issue financing that for HPC builds for co-location. The customer set there that will contract for that - it's large companies, triple A type credit companies, I don't think what with our ability to that we've had to finance the Bitcoin mining facilities.

Once contracted with customers, I think it's going to be significantly easier even in a much more difficult financing environment that we're seeing right now, just because of the customer profile for those types of co-location – co- location buildings.

Kevin Dede

Okay. Would you mind just touch sort of touching on the JV that you sort of set up on sort of picking up excess Rigs? And how's that looking? What are you thinking about that now? What can you speak to?

Wes Cummins

Yes, so, we didn't pull any significant amount of money in unfortunately, on that on that JV. We saw the opportunity there, which can get a lot of demand on the - it was basically, Kevin, that was set up like a fund structure or like an SPV to go out and do that. And the opportunity is kind of, I wouldn't say it's totally come and went, but the price of the, of the equipment has moved up materially that would been a great trade had we been successful in pulling money in but at the time that we were doing that, we had a starter, but we never got critical mass to push that forward.

It just wasn't a huge appetite on just kind of the investor front to put money into the space, which maybe was a signal that, it was a good opportunity. But we never really pulled anything material into that.

Kevin Dede

All right? Thanks so much, Wes. Good effort. Pretty significant insight.

Wes Cummins

Thanks, Kevin.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Cummins for any final comments.

Wes Cummins

Thanks operator. And just to clarify in the prepared remarks, and David repeated the adjusted earnings number twice, it’s two different numbers. The appropriate one is a loss of $1.4 million and a loss of $0.01 on the adjusted net income. Outside of that I just want to thank the shareholders that are on the call for their support and thank our employees again.

It was an extraordinarily difficult winter in North Dakota, and it still going with more snow recently falling there, as well. So that everyone has done a great job getting the buildings up. Operating the buildings that I really appreciate everyone's effort on that and we'll talk to you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.