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    Lol at buying individual stocks over index funds

    VOO has an annual roi of about 14%, same with VTI

    Does the average miscer really think they can beat that over a 10 year run?
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    Lol at not being 100% GME
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    not me sitting on a +300% chitcoin
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    main index perk is you know itll go up eventually. Long run the market always will (if not we are in deep doo doo). So you can love Apple, Amazon, or old blue chips like GE and *** all you want. If it dips you have no idea if or when it will return. May be 10 years, may be never.

    You can take a recession on the chin and VTI should be back at the longest 2-3 years. The 'sit and forget' investing approach is underrated. That said the moon shot FOMO is very real. You protect and build wealth (slowly) with index funds. You dont get rich quick from it
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    Will dollar cost average invest in VOO when I'm millionaire status. Then not worry about individual stonks.


    For someone investing with 10k or less VOO is not ideal.




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    Lol at not being 100% AMC



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    I'm not sure about that 14% number? I'm pretty sure the long-term historical annual average price appreciation of the S&P 500 is 7-8%, and total return with dividend re-investment is ~10%... is it actually 14%?
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    Originally Posted by lntense View Post
    Fixed for you brother.
    When you moon I moon!

    I just am more comfortable with market cap on video game potential being so much higher then say chwy which is pet products and meds. The 500mil raised pushing transformation. Viral marketing via news/Reddit. New board members from Amazon, google etc..

    The approach the board has taken has been supportive of retail and acknowledges the squeeze. Massive amounts of proxy voting currently could show proof of massive naked shorting, and the whales involved are people I’m comfortable sharing a similar position too. But even without a squeeze which I view as inevitable, I fully believe in the direction of the company.

    The HF commited to GME going bankrupt. And it simply WILL NOT Happen. Combining the amount of shorts with positive long outlook and I’m happy. AMC needs a lot more capital and is more than happy to make more shares available imo
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    If you have some chart smarts and, moreso, discipline and a plan, absolutely.

    Can't go wrong removing stress though, as stated above after a while it's sensible to move profits from short-term positions to longer-term positions and build that way. Not the most sensible, not the most lucrative, but a solid plan. Or just go long-term and be patient...or YOLO and risk most/all to get a little ahead and hope that coin flip never goes the wrong way. That works out more often than not, of course...
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    Originally Posted by SouthDakotaBrah View Post
    I'm not sure about that 14% number? I'm pretty sure the long-term historical annual average price appreciation of the S&P 500 is 7-8%, and total return with dividend re-investment is ~10%... is it actually 14%?
    Unless I’m stupid and don’t know how to read this stuff


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    Originally Posted by Duckliver View Post
    When you moon I moon!

    I just am more comfortable with market cap on video game potential being so much higher then say chwy which is pet products and meds. The 500mil raised pushing transformation. Viral marketing via news/Reddit. New board members from Amazon, google etc..

    The approach the board has taken has been supportive of retail and acknowledges the squeeze. Massive amounts of proxy voting currently could show proof of massive naked shorting, and the whales involved are people I’m comfortable sharing a similar position too. But even without a squeeze which I view as inevitable, I fully believe in the direction of the company.

    The HF commited to GME going bankrupt. And it simply WILL NOT Happen. Combining the amount of shorts with positive long outlook and I’m happy. AMC needs a lot more capital and is more than happy to make more shares available imo

    GME has great potential also, I'm just messing with you. I have more conviction in AMC, because at $8-9 a share on AMC yesterday, the company is worth that easily. They have over a billion in funds raised, and with california/new york and other states finally opening theaters and covid coming to an end, I see their next quarter numbers exceeding. Also their conference call yesterday was a grand slam. I strongly believe Adam Aaron is a good ceo and is very appreciative of the movement.

    AMC = great memories of childhood for me, and while GME is also, I see more risk with its price right now verses AMC at $9 because it's worth 9 bucks imo regardless of the interest and hype right now.

    And same with AMC on the naked shorts, it has to be heavily naked shorted according to the numbers. AMC with introducing more shares I feel like they won't, especially right now with this momentum, they did take the 500million shares off the table due to the investors vote and I believe they know if they introduce more then alot of the hype will fizzle. Risk vs reward is greater for them to wait for this squeeze and sell than introduce and kill their reddit following.
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    Originally Posted by navid93 View Post
    Unless I’m stupid and don’t know how to read this stuff


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    You ain't getting rich with 14% annual return broski.
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    You ain't getting rich with 14% annual return broski.
    He might be thinking long-term. 14% over 25-30 years can get you a ton of money -


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    Originally Posted by Gaedj View Post
    You ain't getting rich with 14% annual return broski.
    have u heard of compounded interest? 15% can make you a multi millionaire easily with only 10,000 dollars if you invest for like 30 plus years. if you put money in, this increases like crazy
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    Originally Posted by navid93 View Post
    Unless I’m stupid and don’t know how to read this stuff


    http://www.lazyportfolioetf.com/etf/...rd-sp-500-voo/

    I see where your value is coming from. Assuming the S&P 500 will continue the same performance its seen over the past 10 years (keep in mind, the past decade we've been in is what many people refer to as the longest bull market ever) is a very aggressive assumption. VOO has only been around since 2010 (various popular S&P 500 index funds have existed under various names) so its impossible to quickly and simply measure VOO's historical performance over several decades. But I think over like 30+ years, the S&P 500 is around ~10% with dividend re-investment

    Consistently beating the S&P 500 and actually earning ~15% annual return LONG TERM (like for 30 years) would be extremely impressive - like Warren Buffett level investor
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    Originally Posted by ontclone View Post
    have u heard of compounded interest? 15% can make you a multi millionaire easily with only 10,000 dollars if you invest for like 30 plus years. if you put money in, this increases like crazy
    Bro, you could die tomorrow. I ain't investing chit with the plan of getting rich in 30 fooking years.
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    Originally Posted by ApeMode666 View Post
    ha, you can get 14% in a day on crypto
    Crypto will be the next dot com implosion. The exact same thing that happened then is happening now. People trying to jump on the next rocket to the moon will eventually realize that what they are holding at astronomical prices has next to no underlying value. It will crash without warning, quickly, not giving longs a chance to sell.
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