Almost had an engaging conversation about racism with my lib friend

**Glutebrahhh** · Today, 08:26 AM

But right before we got into, I covered my bases and said 'this isn't critical race theory is it?'

He assured me it was not. So I spilled my opener - that I've been conditioned, like most millennials, and I don't believe I participate in the perpetuation of racism in America. I won't make the personal argument here, it's irrelevant, it seems, because his response was:

Everyone has a little product of their environment in them, and if the society is racist then some part of everyone is racist as long as they tolerate the society they live in.

And then I was lost, because this is CRT isn't it??

Can someone help me finish this discussion? I was excited to have it, and I felt like we immediately lost sight of the topic.

Is it not racist to assume character attributes about a person because of their skin?
I don't deny that racism exists, and I believe I wouldn't tolerate real racism if I encountered it.
I just don't like these blanket arguments that the whole of society is racist.

**miscinbro** · Today, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Glutebrahhh

But right before we got into, I covered my bases and said 'this isn't critical race theory is it?'

He assured me it was not. So I spilled my opener - that I've been conditioned, like most millennials, and I don't believe I participate in the perpetuation of racism in America. I won't make the personal argument here, it's irrelevant, it seems, because his response was:

And then I was lost, because this is CRT isn't it??

Can someone help me finish this discussion? I was excited to have it, and I felt like we immediately lost sight of the topic.

Is it not racist to assume character attributes about a person because of their skin?
I don't deny that racism exists, and I believe I wouldn't tolerate real racism if I encountered it.
I just don't like these blanket arguments that the whole of society is racist.

Assuming you’re not trolling.

What you’ve quoted is a perpetual license to be nasty. Everyone is racist, thus you’re racist and thus the author can be racist towards you.

**BFast55** · Today, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by miscinbro

Assuming you’re not trolling.

What you’ve quoted is a perpetual license to be nasty. Everyone is racist, thus you’re racist and thus the author can be racist towards you.

Quiet racist.

**Narrator02** · Today, 08:38 AM

He is correct but what can you do about it? Take Mitch McConnell. His family fortune which he still holds today was built off the backs of slaves. This is true for many millionaires in the world. Rich people have prospered off immigrants and their cheap labor for centuries also. But the question is what to do about that today? Do the descendants owe anything to the descendants of those used and abused? Now we're getting into moral values. There have been many documented cases of minorities only being allowed to purchase home or rent apartments in certain parts of town. They start at a disadvantage. While that has improved, it still leaves them behind. What do we do about that?
Imo, the argument is the same as what millennials say about boomers. Boomers had it easy and left the next generations holding the bag. I saw the phrase "you broke our legs then expected us to run". Same concept as racism. There's just no easy answer.

**Glutebrahhh** · Today, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by miscinbro

Assuming you’re not trolling.

What you’ve quoted is a perpetual license to be nasty. Everyone is racist, thus you’re racist and thus the author can be racist towards you.

I am not trolling.

What I've quoted? So what my buddy said.. is a perpetual license to be nasty?

I mean.. I don't think I quite understand it that way, but I won't disagree, since I really don't like it. I suppose I need to do some thinking to find the words why. But describing everyone who exists in the system as part of the problem, seems like a terrible way to address the issue.

Originally Posted by BFast55

Quiet racist.

lol plz no

Originally Posted by Narrator02

He is correct but what can you do about it? Take Mitch McConnell. His family fortune which he still holds today was built off the backs of slaves. This is true for many millionaires in the world. Rich people have prospered off immigrants and their cheap labor for centuries also. But the question is what to do about that today? Do the descendants owe anything to the descendants of those used and abused? Now we're getting into moral values. There have been many documented cases of minorities only being allowed to purchase home or rent apartments in certain parts of town. They start at a disadvantage. While that has improved, it still leaves them behind. What do we do about that?
Imo, the argument is the same as what millennials say about boomers. Boomers had it easy and left the next generations holding the bag. I saw the phrase "you broke our legs then expected us to run". Same concept as racism. There's just no easy answer.

This is an excellent point. I can totally see where you're coming from.

I'll have to stew on this a bit before I can articulate a response though.

**miscinbro** · Today, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by BFast55

Quiet racist.

I’m not a racist.

**BFast55** · Today, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by miscinbro

I’m not a racist.

Unless you're black, then I've got bad news for you.

Have you been tested for unconscious racial bias? Just because you don't act like a racist doesn't mean you don't have racist thoughts that you aren't even aware of. I know it sound like ghost hunting, but it's taken VERY seriously by academia.

Cops
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...uences-society

Dentists
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...80084418812886

Blacks' opinions
https://theundefeated.com/features/b...n-their-lives/

Office of Outreach and Diversity
https://diversity.ucsf.edu/resources/unconscious-bias

Face it. You're probably racist.

**BFast55** · Today, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Glutebrahhh

I am not trolling.

What I've quoted? So what my buddy said.. is a perpetual license to be nasty?

I mean.. I don't think I quite understand it that way, but I won't disagree, since I really don't like it. I suppose I need to do some thinking to find the words why. But describing everyone who exists in the system as part of the problem, seems like a terrible way to address the issue.

Misc is a world class cynic. He will draw the most negative conclusions out of any statement, no matter how mundane. But he's definitely not a racist tho

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