Thread: Do vaccines grant full immunity to Covid or not (calling out MMeadows)

Originally Posted by MMeadows11

LOL - not getting vaccinated makes it more likely for BOTH to happen; contracting the virus, with more extreme symptoms, AND being an asymptomatic carrier.

Orr, uh, ya know you could just do something that makes you FAR less likely to get covid.

Can't tell if you're just one of the best deep trolls ever; you thanked the R/P section of the MISC for helping you make health/vaccination choices.

Originally Posted by JUSA

Show me the study that shows the JNJ vaccine makes it less likely you get covid. I'm not calling you out for bullchit, I am simply unaware.

IMO this is actually a pretty big difference here.

If the vaccine makes it so you are more likely to have milder symptoms -- that's great. Kind of like HCQ when administered early with zinc, and it might be the difference between having a tough time of it but living OR dying outright.

A draw back to this - a lot of people are not at risk of dying and might be even more likely to not even realize they're sick and spread covid around not even knowing they're sick.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/01/41...s-common-fears

Originally Posted by UCSF

Was vaccine efficacy only measured in symptomatic COVID-19?
The reported efficacy rates of 94 or 95 percent are for symptomatic disease only. Because the clinical trials for Pfizer and Moderna did not require regular testing for COVID-19, they were not a good indication of how well the vaccine protects against asymptomatic disease (which account for some 40 percent of cases).

Limited data suggest the vaccines can prevent some asymptomatic infections. In the Moderna study, participants were tested just prior to receiving each dose. “There was a reduction in asymptomatic infection in the vaccine versus the placebo group, which gives us hope. Otherwise, researchers only found out that a participant got an infection if the person developed symptoms and then tested positive,” said Boslett. “We know the vaccine really reduces incidents of symptomatic disease, but we don’t know how it impacts the incidents of asymptomatic disease.”

Researchers should know the answer in a couple of months. “I think that logically speaking it should prevent or at least reduce asymptomatic disease,” said Boslett. “Most other vaccines do prevent both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriage and transmission, but until we prove it, we don’t want to assume anything.”

VERDICT: Yes.

Nothing really guarantees "full" anything. What we know is that it definitely does significantly prevent being symptomatic, however asymptomatic is always different. Some flu seasons there are 50% of carriers who are asymptomatic either because of the flu vaccine, having some immunity from previously having the flu, etc. I agree that it would be nice to get a number regarding asymptomatic spread, however I think that is going to be unlikely in the near future as asymptomatic people just don't get tested regularly. Ultimately they will eventually come out with a number down the line which will be an estimate based on whatever data they have.