Thread: Why do you Think Hip Hop was able to Survive Hammer and Vanilla Ice but not Puffy?

hip hop could've easily died in the early 90s but i think gangsta rap and then the socially conscious stuff bought the genre a few more years of really really quality amazing music in or adjacent to the mainstream.
once puffy made his own record though, it was over. i mean yea, outkast, black star, x....there were a few classic hip hop records that came out after no way out....but that's kinda where things ended. i'm pretty sure i'm not alone in thinking this.

so why do you think hip hop was able to make it past hammer and vanilla ice but not puffy?

Puffy had mad hits

I'll be missing you (classic)
I need a girl (classic)



.. Had great features too


Brb hate me now with nas
Brb victory with notorious BIG
Brb brb

Well, after Vanilla Ice everyone else recognized that rap had been taken to the greatest height possible and that no one would ever be able to truly compete with the legendary Ice Ice Baby.

Originally Posted by Mkljsn

Puffy had mad hits

I'll be missing you (classic)
I need a girl (classic)



.. Had great features too


Brb hate me now with nas
Brb victory with notorious BIG
Brb brb

puffy is good, but wu tang is the best. ok. i want y'all to know that this is odb and i love you all

Originally Posted by yieldtonothing

puffy is good, but wu tang is the best. ok. i want y'all to know that this is odb and i love you all

What do you think of Eminem? Just out of curiosity. Do you think he deserves the title of best rapper?

Originally Posted by Mkljsn

What do you think of Eminem? Just out of curiosity. Do you think he deserves the title of best rapper?

best? not even close. he's good though. top 30 prolly

Originally Posted by yieldtonothing

best? not even close. he's good though. top 30 prolly

i agree! Just checking

Originally Posted by Jandels

I'm not sure we can blame puffy for that one brah. Hip hop was still cool in the mainstream until that time. It eventually became stale, and in the 90's early 2000's different forms of electronic music really started taking off and everyone moved on to the rave scene or grunge.

i don't know that i'm blaming puffy. just feels like he was a turning point. like you would never hear a song like mass appeal on the radio post puffy. does that make sense?

You overdid it holmes
You in the danger zone
You shouldn’t be alone

Puffy on his own fukin sucks, but that’s not news.

Puffy was a good businessman, wasn't the best rapper but he definitely had something.

Originally Posted by digital022

I will say that he seemed to over-rely on the recipe of just looping old hits, recycling them, and calling them his own creation. Then to top it off, he absolutely sucked on the mic and had no business being all up in Biggie's songs. To this day when I listen to a Biggie song, I'll be like damn why's puff ruining this song. But he was the man in terms of being in charge so he did what he wanted. The attention whore in him affected the music for sure. Industry wide though, I think it just generally coincided with a weaker offering of music in comparison to previous years.

as we proceed to give you what you need. cant fuking listen to who shot ya.

youre spot on

Puffy has a lot to answer for like his voice-overs and talking chit on most of Biggie's tracks.