None of the vaccines stop you from catching or transmitting the coronavirus. So, this flu will never cease to exist.
The vaccine decreases the severity of the virus making sure you are not hospitalized and have very mild symptoms. Basically, that you don't die from the virus.
My question is: if you(someone who believes EVERYONE needs to get the vaccine) and all your loved ones get the vaccine, why does it matter to you if someone else gets vaccinated or not?
You and your loved ones are already vaccinated and safe from the virus.
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Today, 05:15 AM #1
[Srs] I have a genuine question for people who think everyone needs to get vaccinated
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On the other side of that coin....wouldn’t more people being vaccinated mean the virus would be more likely to evolve to resist vaccines? And yes I understand you may remove some of the fuel source, but it’s not like the virus is going away so if everyone is vaccinated it seems that it would potentially be more likely to resist the vaccine over time.
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I was simply presenting it as a question, and something to consider to show that things aren’t always so black and white(we can still use that phrase, right?).
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/96570...vid-19-mutants
Mutant coronaviruses can make vaccines less effective. At the same time, vaccines can contribute to virus mutations, but this is a slow process that should be manageable.
The new coronavirus variants have raised concerns about whether vaccines will remain effective against this disease. So far, the vaccines still seem to work. Although, scientists are keeping a close eye on a variant first seen in South Africa. But the vaccines themselves could drive the evolution of more mutants.
HARRIS: That's because the virus is always mutating. And if one happens to produce a mutation that makes it less vulnerable to the vaccine, that virus could simply multiply in a vaccinated individual. But even if that happens, that's only one step in the process.
BIENIASZ: What's really unclear and really quite important for the virus to evolve is whether those people let - having been vaccinated and infected, whether they have sufficient levels of virus replication to pass the virus on to other people.
HARRIS: If the vaccine keeps virus levels low, even mutated viruses, the infected person won't produce enough to spread to other people. Unfortunately, at the moment, scientists can't answer the most basic questions about this process. How much does the virus actually replicate inside a person who has been vaccinated with either one dose or two? And how effective is that vaccine at limiting infection enough so that the virus levels stay low and prevent the spread to other people?+positive crew+
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Today, 07:17 AM #14
Because herd immunity is important in order to stop the spread of a virus
Take measles for example, a much more serious disease, herd immunity is achieved at 95% vaccination rate. The unvaccinated 5% are protected by the fact the other 95% are vaccinated.
Covid herd immunity threshold might be around 65-70% so it's not as simple as "I got my shot I'm good **** everyone else"
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I don't give two chits about who declines the vaccine in the same way I don't care who decides to smoke or be fat. What does bother me is when these a$$holes need weeks of care in the ICU driving up insurance rates and removing critical care beds from people who need them for something that wasn't easily prevented.
Go die somewhere that doesn't cost the responsible folks time or money please.“The Misc. is a stone-faced Uncle Sam with Popeye’s forearms and a cocked pistol in each hand. It’s a screeching bald eagle with a foreign Bad Thing in its talons. It’s everything that defines America’s bro culture, magnified and weaponized. But it’s deeper than that.“
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Well in the UK we are close to herd immunity already, yet they want to bring in domestic covid passports to prevent unvaxxed going to pubs bars events etc. around June or later.
Depending uptake is very high here, why exactly does it need to be forced on people then?
There is nothing a stopping a vaccinated person passing covid to another person (albeit with reduced transmission, but doesn’t stop it entirely). If you have the Jab your not going to get seriously ill unless they don’t actually work
My concern is a serious agenda for this all to morph into a form of digital id.
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what the tee vee says:
viruses mutate inside bodies.
when unvaxxed people get covid, it lingers around and that's where it mutates to who knows what. Vaxxed people, it gets killed fast.
Variants are the biggest dangers, ie: it mutates to something vaccines can't figth much against.
Hence the desire to vaxx everyone. That's the layman medical answer - don't ask me how truthful it is, i have no clue.Goals: Plan -> Action -> Results -> Motivation (repeat)
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Today, 08:10 AM #22
From what I understand everybody doesn’t need to. But there needs to be enough people getting the vaccine that we finally get herd immunity. That’s why they’re pushing it so hard. The more people have the vaccine, the closer we are to herd immunity.
In epidemiology, every person who has a disease will statistically pass it on to a certain number of people. That’s called the R-value. When the R-value gets below 1, we have herd immunity. Because at that point >50% of the people who have the virus will never pass it on to anyone, statistically speaking.
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Look at countries tho that have or are close to reaching herd immunity tho. Israel is barring the unvaccinated from anywhere but hospitals and supermarkets for food yet their country is basically almost fully vaccinated now.
Governments worldwide are moving the goalposts for the return to “normal”. People are having their rights taken away even if herd immunity is reached. Same is gunna happen in Europe and in the UK too.
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