Thread: How is Rock music any different than Rap?

If you say rap is not music or “real” music then the same logic has to apply to rock music as well (not the instrument part, but the vocals).

People say rap is not music but more like poetry because the rappers are just “saying” the lyrics and not performing them in the traditional “singing” way.

But if you listen to rock music a lot of the times in the songs the lyrics are performed in the same way as rap (lyrics are just spoken normally) rather than the traditional “singing” way.

Also the topics of the songs in both these genres don’t really differ, it’s mostly about degeneracy (drugs, money, women, etc), but rap gets called out for not being “real music”.

Is this because of the racial element to this? Because rock is mostly created/listened to by white people and rap is mostly created/listened to by blacks?

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Originally Posted by Pumpinmirin

Imagine listening to low iq high school dropouts recite poetry, waxing lyrical about injustice n **** while perpetuating violence or rhyming about absolute nonsense such as partying with Jackie chan (Chinese) in Japan versus a maestro on an instrument genuinely creating something.


Lol at rapmaxxers, particularly white bois over the age of 20.

Well you’re generalizing and conflating modern pop rap with the entire rap genre, which is unfair. There are a lot of good rap songs of the past talking about genuine topics and real life struggles that everyone can relate to.

One takes talent. One does not.

Originally Posted by MLKangz

Well you’re generalizing and conflating modern pop rap with the entire rap genre, which is unfair. There are a lot of good rap songs of the past talking about genuine topics and real life struggles that everyone can relate to.

He's generalizing a group of people

Originally Posted by Pumpinmirin

Tupac died at what? 24 or something. Strong life experience, don't preach at me when you shot a kid at your concert you degenerate scum.

Checks user title: New Zealand

it checks out

One requires the ability to play instruments, talent, lots of $$$ on gear/production


The other requires your homie to spin up some beats for you to mumble about fcking bishes. You ever been to a live rap concert? They don't even edit their own vocals out of the backtrack, they just spit a few lines over themselves on the track.

One requires a triple digit IQ, the other not so much.

Originally Posted by Kadoobiedo

One requires the ability to play instruments, talent, lots of $$$ on gear/production


The other requires your homie to spin up some beats for you to mumble about fcking bishes. You ever been to a live rap concert? They don't even edit their own vocals out of the backtrack, they just spit a few lines over themselves on the track.

A midi keyboard is a piano
A beat pad is a type of percussive instrument

Both on higher ends of production costs...laptops aint cheap
especially if you're producing quality

And musicians lay backing vocals for their songs all the time

Either way, it's all the same until you decide to label it

Bias

Originally Posted by MLKangz

Also the topics of the songs in both these genres don’t really differ, it’s mostly about degeneracy (drugs, money, women, etc), but rap gets called out for not being “real music”.

I disagree, Hip hop is the most lyrically diverse genre, you want to rap about turtles? Fine. Pretend you’re a super hero? Fine. Christmas raps? Fine. Pineapple on pizza? Do it.

Originally Posted by AK1615

He's generalizing a group of people
….
Checks user title: New Zealand
it checks out

STRONG irony.

Originally Posted by Kadoobiedo

One requires the ability to play instruments, talent, lots of $$$ on gear/production
The other requires your homie to spin up some beats for you to mumble about fcking bishes. You ever been to a live rap concert? They don't even edit their own vocals out of the backtrack, they just spit a few lines over themselves on the track.

This is a generalisation, see track below for proof. You might even agree with some of the lyrics

Originally Posted by Jandels

STRONG irony.

hue hue
Hate breeds hate.

Originally Posted by Kev1972

One requires a triple digit IQ, the other not so much.

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Originally Posted by POTA

This is 1959 and gives Busta Rhymes a run for his money (wait for the verses after the first chorus).

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Originally Posted by Kadoobiedo

One requires the ability to play instruments, talent, lots of $$$ on gear/production


The other requires your homie to spin up some beats for you to mumble about fcking bishes. You ever been to a live rap concert? They don't even edit their own vocals out of the backtrack, they just spit a few lines over themselves on the track.

Producing beats takes skill. Dre made his fame being one of the goats, Kanye is one of the best also. You can downgrade rock to some kids playing off tempo and rehashing chords in their garage too.

Jay Z does not do this. His shows are legit him rapping to his instrumentals.

Originally Posted by AK1615

A midi keyboard is a piano
A beat pad is a type of percussive instrument

Both on higher ends of production costs...laptops aint cheap
especially if you're producing quality

And musicians lay backing vocals for their songs all the time

Either way, it's all the same until you decide to label it

This goes with the above. Studio time isn’t cheap, and the instrumental portion of a song can make it or break it. Some rappers do injustice to great beats, but that applies to all music.

Originally Posted by BigElephant

Rap is music, it's just ****ty music. So ****ing cringy too

Dumb take. You can’t generalize an entire genre that can be subdivided further. If you don’t know rap, just say that.

Originally Posted by POTA

This is 1959 and gives Busta Rhymes a run for his money (wait for the verses after the first chorus).

lold
These guys are certified hood as well

Rap isn't all bad its just that most newer rap is garbage but so is most newer rock. It's personal preference but both kinds of music can be both good and bad

Originally Posted by MLKangz

If you say rap is not music or “real” music then the same logic has to apply to rock music as well (not the instrument part, but the vocals).

People say rap is not music but more like poetry because the rappers are just “saying” the lyrics and not performing them in the traditional “singing” way.

But if you listen to rock music a lot of the times in the songs the lyrics are performed in the same way as rap (lyrics are just spoken normally) rather than the traditional “singing” way.

Also the topics of the songs in both these genres don’t really differ, it’s mostly about degeneracy (drugs, money, women, etc), but rap gets called out for not being “real music”.

Is this because of the racial element to this? Because rock is mostly created/listened to by white people and rap is mostly created/listened to by blacks?

Different opinions. I like old school rap but today's rap is garbage

Originally Posted by MLKangz

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How? There's white rappers.

Originally Posted by TBO1313

Rap isn't all bad its just that most newer rap is garbage but so is most newer rock. It's personal preference but both kinds of music can be both good and bad

This

There is so much nuance to all genres that you can't just put everything in the same box. We use genre classifications just for the sake of simplicity.

Nas is called rap
And whatever mumble rapper is popular that week is also called rap
But they are obviously totally different things