Matjila says whistle-blower James Nogu is not above board.

He says the PIC has an independent service provider that provides a whistle-blowing service that staff can use. 

He says 'James Nogu' has damaged the reputations of people at the PIC. 

Matjila is now asked who whistle-blower James Nogu or James Noku is. 

"I wish I knew who James Nogu is," he says. He says he has an idea who it is, but does not name any names. 

He says he hopes the commission of inquiry will be able to uncover who it is. 

He says James Nogu is not, in his view, a bona fide whistle-blower. 

Matjila says that, by the time he left the state-run asset manager in late 2018, staff had undergone courses in how to secure data. 

Matjila previously said that after she was hired, he came to understand that Menye was not so reliable. 

Marcus now asked him what formal steps he took, given that she was the head of the IT group. 

Matjila says he took no specific steps but scrutinised very carefully what she told him. 

Lubbe now notes that Menye says she understood that the CEO didn't want her there. 

Lubbe notes that no disciplinary hearing started for Menye. She took an R7m settlement. 

After Matjila resigned, the PIC board took a resolution to reappoint Menye. 

Matjila says the PIC did not take action against Menye. 

Marcus now asks what steps the PIC took after the servers had been rebuilt. 

"I still have reservations about what was don't there," he says. He said he asked questions but did not get answers to his satisfaction.  

Assistant commissioner Gill Marcus now asks why the PIC's internal audit and risk teams did not go and proactively make their presence felt while the servers were being fixed, if Menye had sent out notification emails. 

Majtila said no-one told them. 

He says they only discovered afterwards that the servers had been rebuilt. 

Matjila testifies that Menye and "some of her team" spent the whole night "rebuilding servers" of the PIC on or about 6 July. 

He says no-one knows what she did to the servers. 

Evidence leader, advocate Advocate Jannie Lubbe, notes that Menye contacted him to say that she advised all users about the power surge that caused the power failure while they were fixing the servers. 

Matjila repeats that confidential information about how kept being leaker, including to the media. 

He says he never told Menye that he "owns the PIC". 

This is something that Menye said when she testified before the commission previously. 

Matjila says Menye was unreliable. 

He now again talks about whistle-blower emails from "James Nogu" or "James Noku". 

He says the documents in the emails must have come from PIC internal servers. He says he then tried to uncover the source of the documents. 

Matjila is now testifying about Vuyokazi Menye, who headed the corporation's IT department.

Menye previously testified before the inquiry about how Matjila allegedly became enraged when she refused to give him access to all the system administrator passwords for the company.

“I told him that I cannot do that because, if I do, I will be breaching the IT governance and controls,” she said in early March. 

Matjila said a forensic investigation found that the board minutes had been downloaded from Mathebula's laptop. 

She said these disclosures impacted negatively on the PIC and were the subject of numerous media articles. 

Matjila says that he was concerned about how internal board documents were leaked to a disciplinary hearing. 

These minutes were later leaked to the head of the UDM Bantu Holomisa, he said. 

Matjila said he called company secretary Bongani Mathebula, who said she didn't know how the minutes were leaked. 

He said he then called the head of HR and Mathebula was placed on precautionary suspension.  

The former CEO of the Public Investment Corporation, Dan Matjila, is continuing his testimony before the commission of inquiry into the Public Investment Corporation. 

The commission is investigating allegations of wrongdoing at the PIC, which manages R2.2trn in investments on behalf of public servants.

On Monday Matjila said he finds it hard to believe that allegations against him come from a whistleblower because they are so "malicious".