I'm here to. And weeks I know you have to again. And it Osama live we'll ask you how when and how. Eastern through it and yeah. First label on each other reporter this week her compassionate words. A stark contrast to what she had on the back of that jacket right there I really don't care to do you 39 dollars aren't jacket. And a lot of head scratching this week let's start with that a whole lot more in our roundtable now our chief political analyst Matthew Dowd. Our White House team senior White House correspondent so you Vega and our chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. Democratic strategist Donna Brazil and Chris Christie former governor in New Jersey now on ABC news kocharian Melanie begin and we knew you served in the bush white has not during. Hurricane Katrina but some people started to save this week president trumps Katrina moment is that what it is. Well it's hard to say that because hit that down trumps. Approval numbers are exactly already app where John George Bush's were in the aftermath of Katrina if anything you can argue that. Debt down jobs Katrina was his inaugural speech because after that his numbers dropped and haven't really surface might since sent. There's a huge difference I mean there's some similarities but there's a huge difference the difference is is Katrina was an act of god. This was an act of Donald Trump which in his mind maybe an act of god you never know. It but it did demonstrate a level of incompetence in the bush White House and then it told the story along the way along with the war along with the economy. That basically framed a reference point for the entire rest of doubt and George Bush's presidency. I think that's the problem here the funny is weak it's quite to look back at Katrina because George Bush was criticized for spending one extra day on vacation during that time. Ending within four days of Katrina he's already had allocated ten billion dollars. To helping Katrina this is a whole different fare but I think it's problematic for the president they realize that you can tell the webcasters. Laps he doesn't make nature around this week he had to Buehrle did an innocent I think it's. I think one of the things that hasn't talked about this week George is the president was enormously ill served by the department justice. If if the attorney general commit its its the president. I want you do zero tolerance policy but let me just tell you we don't know enough judges table the cases. Wherever prosecutors to bring the cases we were enough detention facilities to legally detain the people that we're gonna show zero tolerance to the president would never approve this. Casino another criticism from others around the president and inside the white essence Livingston let me start with years I have heard other underwear and us officials and other people administration. Say yeah this is all Jeff Sessions fall right here he certainly seem to think that he was carrying out. What the president wanted to. Well there is a serious battle going on for public relations and every man for themselves and scenes. Yourself if you can't going on behind this is the White House right now they're people who were blaming Stephen Miller for being the one entirely behind this there are people who say the president. He's gone Rogen is ordering everybody to do everything just shouting people are scrambling to try to get things in front of him to sign them will he not. I don't know that we know the answer to that at this point what I do know is you mention the Washington Post Dan balls peace at the top of that show they also called it. A textbook example of how not to govern I was in Katrina and I covered the story through the week and be honest. And I go back to Katrina when I was on the ground there covering not the same questions we were hearing about what was happening in Katrina how can this happen in this country. This is on American what we are seeing. What we are hearing from Democrats and Republicans and people rank and file around this country and frankly around the globe in response to a. George the president is intensely focused on border crossings illegal border crossings and in 2017. We saw an historic flow down to levels we hadn't seen since the early seventies. And what happened is over the last three months we've seen a significant increase. In apprehensions at the border the president has been incredibly agitated about this about six weeks ago at a cabinet meeting. He started going off after cure stimulus in the sec only that your secretary. Demanding to know why she wasn't doing more to deal with this sessions at that point. Piped up in the meeting cabinet meeting and said wanna we just arrest everybody at the border they we should just we should simply apprehend and arrest everybody across the border. The legally. That is really when this crisis well rehearsed or whether it was when it's it's the press it's what the president wanted to overall right but the details were were were were John recession they have a former chief executive showcasing yet that's what you want your people coming over the border. What if they didn't tell used achieving savior attorney Gerald insist you. But by the way Mr. President. We won't have enough judges to process the cases we oral naproxen is to bring cases. And we won't have enough detention facilities to legally hold people and wind up separating families as a result from the chief executive says. Art and love then that would sound that sounds like somebody who's competent. You know judge you mention Katrina and I have to tell you as someone who. Was seriously impacted by not just a political decisions to. The humanitarian crisis that happened. It was a moral crisis and what we saw this week was not just a political crisis but moral. The pulp spoke out. International leaders called on the president to act. The president kept insisting that he had no Paulus back and then later retracted backtrack would have you wanna call it and then he acted but this. This decision his executive ought I think it's 13841. I can't remember now. This this. Ought to still face what I call legal political and budgetary crisis we're not open its saddle. While the president is in Las Vegas a Duluth you know giving campaign speeches about what might happen. This crisis is still Matalin and I think. Georgia think the other huge part of the problem is the way the president talks about this and claims this issue which I think is a complete faults. Neared announced on his first of all he's from he's never he's always position this and if your compassionate towards people of the border. Then your for crime and then your farm overrun open border which is totally false way to look at. Or your for security. He also frames this is all these people coming through here are all people there and mr. thirteen are there are going to be commit all these crimes and all every single stack. Says that illegal immigrants could commit crimes at a lower rate than native born Americans in this country so he's frame this in such a way. There is driven this division in the country let me and they were like George WR I'm one other thing. That the reason why immigration fail and are immigration immigration form reform failed during the George W. Bush. Was because of right wing house Republicans the reason why immigration failed during Barack Obama was because of right wing house Republicans. That's the problem really well wait a second ago. In the beginning of the Barack Obama administration have filibuster proof majority in the senate. And they had a huge majority in the house and the president President Obama decided it was an important priority for him to bring vehicle went no matter what what are. That would except Matt and pass the senate went way to say wait that Democrats were completely control. And the Republicans don't awful horrible right wing Republicans that you not edit part of a house okay. The fact is when you wanna keep changing the subject fact that the Democrats weren't charged they didn't do it either. OK so they didn't vote with Health Care Reform OK well they don't need it save the economy while you can choose this and he got that the he -- don't have noticed that in reality quickly you had two presidents who had an opportunity to do something on. On immigration you had George W. Bush beginning of his second term decided instead that he was you don't do something on Social Security which fail. And we Obama he hadn't decide to do. Health care instead of immigration first I think either one of those present had an opportunity that all things that you can't just throw it at the feet of one party both parties are playing here and there right although it. You can also make an argument that immigration could shouldn't necessarily be for either present the number one issue. NBC probably anywhere up to you look at our administration this week the right words how U of I mean it is this week right now and and it has been periodically over time. And it to go back to what Donna said it is a moral issue and that's why. When you turn Charlie United States' stance upn is quoting Bible first to justify this kind of policy and also giving incomplete advice to the president. That's that I am here let one of the day failed. Target communications go to CB so many breakdown where process to see an ad that brings you back to the because it was just such a strange strange I like to see the First Lady in that Jack. I don't know that I have seen more of a heads scratching moment in an administration where we scratch our heads a lot covering them. Then that jacket every one. In the press room in the press briefing room where we work were you there are probable gas is what is immediately I'll pass it could it's this empire. Then this is not an accident the question is Annie answered that we don't have is. To cool what was this message directed was this act immediately the president said and there's absolutely no evidence that's that's that that's the case was this it to him. We don't know not less than whatever it was. It completely took away from the story she was down there to show did she cared about undocumented immigrant children being detained on the border. And we in a talking about a coat you know. It really doesn't matter what the firstly there was tried assume the jacket you know what did it distracted us from talking about these children I want to hear her. Talk about the babies are they being held. They being fed is someone change in their diapers. It distracted us from what her message was was to gold onto the boarded a show compassion and a show the American people someone is taking care of these children. That Jack it was a huge yeah. And I I don't know how to happen but I also say this and I was in mr. Ford took to the folks in the room you know it part of it is is this is our fault too. Because you know she did get on the plane and go down there. To see for herself what was going on there's no question in my mind that she was a major motive later in that White House behind the executive order president pushing the president to do that and getting him away from the DOJ. You know interpretation of all this. And so what we spent seven if every percent of our time to bring to point out what you looked at in the last in the last couple days talk about the jacket the fact is this woman is right. She's hardworking and she's compassionate as she went down there to show that the trump family. In her name. Cares about these kids in these fat. Why did she Wear that I can answer listen you're sick you'll be shocked to know looking at big animal body doesn't consulted on her. That this wasn't just a jacket this was a sandwich board this is like Bea the equivalent of wearing a sandwich board with a message that you wanted to said. Which just somebody you and whoever was it was wrong. Whether it was to the press who are basically response where the reason why we're talking about what you're I would have families and if it wasn't to the press was to somebody else she was wearing it for specific reason she may be the most compassionate wonderful person in the world she wore that jacket for what officials. If nobody else would to the border the president didn't go to the borders the attorney general didn't go to the border to meet with those kids. Of the Department of Homeland Security secretary didn't go to the border she went to the border to meet with those in the first major credit for that and.