and Boris wants to be PM here, so do a few others. Is this really politicians in being politicians shocker?
But if you want to be the big man in the EU delivering them a great deal at the expense of the UK seems to be a good way to get votes.
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If I may say so its like all the critism I got on here for saying 4 years ago immigration was a major issue, people ignored it and it came back to bite.
It wasn't a major issue 4 years ago and it is not a major issue now.
I am talking actual issue to the country not an 'I don't like foreigners' issue.Posted 10 hours ago # -
kerly has it. See the Scottish report. each eu national in Scotland makes a large positive contribution to the economy
ON a deal - simply read whatthe major players in the EU are saying
"Olly Robbins, suggested in a recent cabinet meeting that the UK would operate on three levels post-Brexit with the EU, with some sectors being entirely free from Brussels regulation while others were fully converged to allow frictionless trade. In a third “basket” of sectors, the two sides could share the same goals but “achieve them through different means”.
One senior EU official said: “It’s what we always thought the UK would be going for and that’s why we have been quite clear that we don’t think that it is on.”
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“They’re asking Germany to wreck the single market that made Germany rich,” noted one Eurocrat, Chris Kendall, “by carving out an exception for financial services to stop them relocating to Germany.”
As Dieter Kempf, president of the Federation of German Industries, acidly observed:
I was surprised to hear it was now up to the EU to make an offer to the UK on how to deal with the UK in future. I understand you don’t want to be like Norway or Switzerland, or an agreement like the one with Canada. But for God’s sake, give us a bit of an idea of what you do want.
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But for God’s sake, give us a bit of an idea of what you do want.
It's pretty obvious to everyone now why they can't do this. Even the Leave cheerleaders I know have given up on the idea that it is being kept secret for negotiation reasons. Everyone now knows that the government does not have a plan as regards what should replace EU membership… and is constantly kicking that decision down the street… as soon as it has to form a plan, the cabinet splits, and as soon as it is public, most of the public rejects it. Only once we are no longer members, or we are so close to Leaving that there can be no political way of stopping it happening, will the government set out what they should have set out before triggering the A50 process.
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And to counter the assertions from the leavers on here that its all rosy, the basics are agreed and everything is going to be sorted for a trade deal
" Guy VerhofstadtWe must formalise the #Brexit withdrawal agreement. Besides the Irish issues, our priority is to get #citizensrights right. Because this is not done yet. We need rock solid guarantees."
"Guy Verhofstadt
The European Parliament won't allow cherry-picking in the #Brexit transition. All EU legislation, all EU policies will continue to apply. The only exception is that the UK will no longer be represented in the institutions that decide on legislation & policies"
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And more to show the falshoods from the leavers
In a debate with European council president Donald Tusk and commission president Jean-Claude Juncker on the 14-15 December EU summit conclusions, MEPs cautioned the UK government not to take a Brexit transition deal for granted, and highlighted the need to formalise the withdrawal agreement as fast as possible.
They also called on the UK government to lay out clearly its vision for the country’s desired future relationship with the EU, avoiding apparently celebrated priorities such as the colour of passports, which it was always free to choose. Some MEPs made it clear that no status outside the EU will ever be as good as full EU membership.
IE even the withdrawal agreement still needs to be formalised.
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He said a transition deal was not inevitable. He said he wanted to deliver a “clear warning” that if the conditions for a transitional deal were not correct, then his MEPs would not back it. “The cliff edge is far from being avoided,” he said.
from the leader of the largest political group in the EU parliament.
So its clear that the deal on the transitional period is not yet done and needs more work from the UK side including giving cast iron legally binding guarentees. After Davis's words none of the EU side trust a word the UK government says.
this means no talks on trade is possible yet contrary to what the leavers on here assert.
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"It's not about immigration… it's all about immigration…" pt253:
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/non-eu-migration-is-what-uk-voters-care-most-about/
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If I may say so its like all the critism I got on here for saying 4 years ago immigration was a major issue, people ignored it and it came back to bite.
Have you read the report by the Home Affairs Committee on the subject? It's highly damning... basically all of the negatives arising from immigration have been due to government incompetence, indifference and placing ideology over evidence. Their tinkering has stoked anti-immigrant sentiment while either making problems worse or introducing whole new ones.
I'm glad whoever ran the Home Office during this time will never work in politics again after causing such damage to the country. Oh, wait...
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Depressing that the lies of Brexiters (press, Ministers, campaigners) over immigration and immigrants have such a lasting legacy of untruths, amounts to little more than ill- informed xenophobia
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Luckily we have Johnson with his trusty sword of truth to cut through all the lies.
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TJ the transition deal is very very far from done so we agree there. MEPs will NOT vote againat any deal which includes the EU receiving £35-39bn. If they vote it down they get NOTHING and E27 become net payers to the UK of £8-10bn pa. Also countries like France and, Ireland and Holland will face huge logistical challenges
It’s worth noting that to have a transition we will have to have a very clear idea kf the future trade deal otherwise it is the UK which will back out and keep our £35-39bn
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@teeth the rebate is applied 12 months in arrears. The amount paid varies year to year and depends on many factors including relative economic performance. The ONS has exlcuded all the hiddens costs like loans (never paid back), grants and the pension deficit.
The figure of £363m per week is taken from a Government document and we DO NOT control what that money is spent on. It’s worth noting that around £20m per week is lost in fraud amongst the EU27
Also as we have discusses many times lets soend £180m a week on the NHS would have been just as effective. Remain couldn’t challenge the key Leave message that the EU receives large amounts of our money which most of the UK thinks is too way much given they sell us more than we sell them
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Waving that £39 billion wad around isn't nearly as impressive as you seem to think it is. What's the combined GDP of rEU27? Is it about $15trillion and rising? Of course the EU want to plug the gap left by one of its richest members pulling out, and of course a decent deal is in the interests of all the EU/EEA countries, but that doesn't mean we can dictate terms.
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the EU receives large amounts of our money which most of the UK thinks is too way much given they sell us more than we sell them
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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The amount we pay and/or get back has no relationship to what we/buy sell. The Leave vote wasn't about money, it was xenophobia and harking back to a non-existent golden age.
And won't the leave voters be disappointed when they realize that the price of trade deals with other countries will be that we will have to let more people in from those countries....and they won't be Caucasian.Posted 8 minutes ago # -
And won't the leave voters be disappointed when they realize that the price of trade deals with other countries will be that we will have to let more people in from those countries
Some will. Others voted for it for precisely this reason.
Remember Priti Patel arguing for Brexit to protect the curry houses?Posted 5 minutes ago # -
I missed that!
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Starmer get’s it. Tells Labour MPs to stop trying to reverse Brexit. He is quite right to say Farage is talking of a second Referendum as he knows Leave would win again.
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