I know the design has its flaws and the looks are marmite, but they're desired by many, so you'd think there'd be rivals offering slight variations. Just a thought that I woke up to this morning...
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Are Orange the only two-bearing frames?
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Posted 3 hours ago #
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Santa cruz heckler & superlight used to be
Posted 3 hours ago # -
They used to be very common. Santa Cruz especially, but also Trek, Gary Fisher, Giant.
Posted 2 hours ago # -
They used to be pretty popular when manufacturers didn’t know any better. Now they’ve had a bit of time to refine/improve their design, not so much
Orange haven’t quite caught up yet
Posted 2 hours ago # -
People like Tom above have a perception that the simple single pivot like orange is not as good as more 'modern' linkage designs but this is plain wrong. Every design is a compromise of sorts, anti rise, anti squat etc and oranges are no different. Orange have experimented with linkages but have always felt the benefits aren't worth it. They've had donkeys years to refine their pivot and shock placement also remember.
They supposedly suffer from brake jack but this has a benefit of preserving geo under braking and stopping the front end diving and getting steep in head angle. Starling cycles are the same design and have had rave reviews - dirt reckoned it was the fastest bike they'd tested. I think a big reason companies use a linkage design is partly technical and being able to better manipulate the suspension characteristics than a single pivot but partly down to (wrong) attitudes like Tom's that they're outdated and therefore won't sell. Not an Orange fan boy btw. These days suspension design is low on my list of priorities in a bike.
Posted 33 minutes ago # -
I've seen enough people winning races on oranges to know that a single pivot is never going to hold me back.
Posted 29 minutes ago # -
Everyone else has moved on. Even orange have tried. I'm sure you can make it work, just like Porsche make the 911 work, but there are better* solutions.
*I appreciate 'better' is a relative term and different things are better for different situations, just talking in general
Posted 24 minutes ago # -
How many bikes do Orange export?
Posted 22 minutes ago # -
Not defending Orange here but I think the term 'moved on' is wrong. As you say yourself they have tried other designs but have decided that for them it wasn't worth it. Everything is a compromise, even the most modern linkage design. Fine if you don't like orange or starling's design but don't try and say it's worse than other designs. It's just a different set of compromises.
Posted 16 minutes ago #
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