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would I just find myself using lower gears for the same power but a with a more realistic feel of the hillThat, I think. As I understand it, trainers struggle to apply resistance at low speeds more than fast speeds so a posher trainer can "do" a steeper hill. Below a certain "flywheel speed", the less posh trainer offers a bit less resistance at low speed so has to let you pedal faster to generate the same power
err, I think
Really struggling to comprehend this.. It's never worked like this or been this easy ! EVER.
Every time i jump on the scales it's showing a lower number... I even took a pic today but i won't subject you all to my feet !
14st 13.8 was the number today. That's from 15st 10 on the 1st Jan. Even if we argue the 1st Jan was a heavy day for some reason, although i didn't go out the night before and had been to Swinley when i weighed myself. Then it's still astounding to me that i've reached what i thought was a 2 month target after only 10 days !
Good progress there Weeksy. Losing weight makes a massive difference. I lost quite a bit at the start of 2017 (mainly due to an tooth infection and subsequent extraction) and I was flying in the real world. Need to motivate myself to do it again but I CBA without the pain to keep me focussed.
Get in, weeksy ! By the time I'm riding again I won't see your skinny arse for dust
It's never worked like this or been this easy ! EVER*cough*
1. The 5 days will NOT be disaster day of eating pastries, cakes, crisps and Dominos
2. The 5 days will have a reduction in Carbs
Well yes, i get that and i get where its been going wrong in the past. There's been times it's been a minor struggle in my head, last night about 9pm was quite tough, Mon and Wed had been fasting days, so last night i was bloody starving "it's only a few hours, it will be worth it" was my mantra and it worked, i didn't fill my face etc.
Lunches are quite tough as they're usually bread/baguette based, i'm aware i can't realistically keep off the bread and carbs forever... But it seems to be working so i'll somehow struggle along and see where it takes me.
Tonight will have some bread, but going for home made Moroccan lamb burgers with sweet potato chips (roasted not fried) and some mushrooms for me, salad for the wife.
We've also bought the Tom Kerridge book, which arrived yesterday and we'll give some of these meals a whirl over the coming weeks.
It's interesting that i look back 10 days ago and it's just stupidity and laziness, my breakfast this morning was tasty enough, nothing wrong with natural yoghurt, banana and a bit of granola mixed together... Filled a hole. So whereas this time last week would have been 2 Belgian Buns, that's not really that much different in 'niceness' but obviously about double the calories, when you add in the 350cal granola square i'd usually have with my 7am coffee, well i'm then about 700cals better off today than i usually would be.
Back to the Zwifting, i'm wondering if the lower intensity Z2 stuff which is in the 'fat burning zone' is also having an effect.... Could it ? Maybe i guess. I'm finding it tough after 60 mins at the moment to push on, even at a lower pace, but that's all in my head, even though my legs are tired as i'm on 300km for Jan up to now, which is a decent enough distance i think. Sure it may affect my racing, but i think in the future i'll be able to recapture my form with the right sort of training and racing again..But if i can start looking for form with 90kg on the scales instead of close to 100kg, then i've got to be onto a winner surely. Obviously i'm a long way from 90kg currently being now just a smidgen under 95.... but i'm a lot closer than i was to 90 a few weeks ago.
Tomorrow, we go again, slow and steady lol. It's a bit dull... but i'll accept it... Alternative is, taking tomorrow off and then a long but steady ride on Sat on the 29er on roads.
The idea of 'fat burning ' rides is that you stop yourself going anaerobic which burns glycogen stored in your muscles. Most 'athletes' have enough glycogen for a couple of hours before things go bang (or bonk). Fat burning zone rides ( aerobic) supply muscles from your fat stores as at lower intensity the body can replenish the glycogen from said fat stores. In theory if you could stay aerobic and feed yourself steadily you could keep going and going.
Good work weeksy.
Tomorrow, we go again, slow and steady lol. It's a bit dull... but i'll accept it... Alternative is, taking tomorrow off and then a long but steady ride on Sat on the 29er on roads.
Banjo shop ride on Saturday 8am, or NRC 9am club run on Sunday (pace is relaxed). You're close to Didcot as well and I'm sure DPCC would be happy to have one more on their club run. Plenty of easy miles to be had in good company with a coffee and cake stop 
Weeksy, with respect, fat needs to be burned. Each lb of fat you lose requires a 2500-3500 calorie deficit. So the majority of your weight loss at the rate it has come off is from other sources- water and muscle glycogen. There literally hasn’t been time to burn 35,000 calories of fat.
The key is to know this, know the implications it will have on your performance and know that to make a real lasting difference, you’ll need to tough it out past the easy-get stage.
The most important thing is the shift in your mindset though which is what will carry you through Keep up the good work!
Banjo shop ride on Saturday 8am, or NRC 9am club run on Sunday (pace is relaxed). You're close to Didcot as well and I'm sure DPCC would be happy to have one more on their club run. Plenty of easy miles to be had in good company with a coffee and cake stop
That would mean using the Isaac on the road ! i don't do the Isaac on the road... i hate road bikes lol.
with respect, fat needs to be burnedThat is true (and it has happened very quickly) but
I lost 7-8kg really just by cutting out the shite from my diet (by whicj I mean chocs and cake; I still eat the same meals). Took 3 months or so but still fast and there was some noticeable drop very early on. Calorie restriction is the fast way to weight loss - if not done "dangerously" and if followed by sensible maintenance, we have a winning combo
Definitely a B now. Maybe an A by the end of next week ;0)
tomlevell - Member
Definitely a B now. Maybe an A by the end of next week ;0)
LOL me ? Nah, still not. I've been racing underweight arguably. Last year i got down to 93kg, when the weight snuck up, i moved it to 95kg, but never moved it up from there fully, so i've been racing at 99kg real, 95-96kg Virtual. So now i'm sitting at 94-95 i'm only just where i should be.
If.... and it's a big IF.. i can get down to 90kg, i think i'll be a happy B. I should then be able to hold the odd wheel that i'd normally have lost out on by a little bit... Well, that's the hope anyway.
But i'm not going Zwift racing until i see where this current plan takes me. Slow and steady, trying to increase the time a bit on the bike as well... When the weight sticks for 2-3 weeks i'll consider that a plateau and re-consider the options.
Does anyone else find they're much slower on zwift than real life? On the new Surrey hills loop I'm quite a bit slower up bits than in real life even allowing for winter chubsterness.
so i've been racing at 99kg real, 95-96kg Virtual
Doper! Reported to ZADA 
Doper! Reported to ZADApfft! well within a margin for error
I mean, I only estimated my height. Reckon four foot six is about right though, given how very light I am
Having met you I think that's fair enough
Seems quite a few riders only estimate their gender too
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Does anyone else find they're much slower on zwift than real life? On the new Surrey hills loop I'm quite a bit slower up bits than in real life even allowing for winter chubsterness.
No, but there are so many variables on Zwift, that it wouldn't be surprising. Apart from motivation, which is a fairly big one, trainer power outputs can be off even when calibrated, weights get 'mis-entered', you're dependent on Zwift's algorithms for accuracy, there are no tailwinds (oddly all my best outdoor times come when there is a massive tailwind, no idea why...) Do you ride in groups outside and benefit from drafting?
How accurate are the Zwift hills compared to the real thing? I'm up north, but I rode up Box Hill once without really knowing it was a climb, whereas on Zwift it does actually seem to go uphill.
I find I'm always faster in my head than I am either on Zwift or in reality :-/
The climbs are pretty accurate tbh, well as much they can be. Non smart trainer so I'm just going to presume I'm actually putting out about twice as much power as it thinks
I rode up Box Hill once without really knowing it was a climb
It was a long time ago - I was younger and fitter and had just done the Fred... these days it'd probably reduce me to a crawl. It's not exactly the Hardknott though is it
Well I came stone cold last in D but I did lose the group when my phone decided to drop Bluetooth 
I pushed on and finished though and wasn’t that far behind considering a drop out?
My zwift journey has progressed to zwift spectator. Dad has signed up, so spent the evening trundling along on my dumb trainer watching him smash out a mighty 2.5W/kg
Just did the tour of zwift which was a bit of a mistake to be honest. I was in C and can normally hold the front group until at least the first climb but they were gone by the first corner, then it was just a backwards slide to a might 270th-ish out of 750. On the results board that flashed up at the end, the no1 C averaged 4.7 W/kg....
They were no groups forming, it was just a long procession and once the B, C and D’s got mixed up it was impossible to work out what was going on, especially as everyone was in the same jersey.
So my ipad is toast, what ANT dongles are people using so i can use my gaming pc instead.
I did TDZ in B tonight, my first go at moving up. I havent had a day off the bike since the 2nd Jan and I could definitely feel it. On the warm up strip I thought about quitting then I pushed on thinking I'll get to the end of lap one before I z2 ot to the finish. Ended up finishing in the top 130th out of around 400 and put another 5w on my ftp score.
Ftp seems to be climbing every time I do a race but it is early days of following any structure but tomorrow is most definitely a day off
Me too - went in B for the TDZ but only had half hour for dinner to go down before getting on it. Thought WTF to the warm up pace, had two laps feeling alright, 3rd in I got a stitch, then settled in and despite a few big efforts in the last 2 laps ended up 143 down to 107 on zwift power after the clean up on w/kg was done. Agreed - was a right mess with the cats all jumbled and very hard to pick out who I was actually fighting for position generally.
jolmes - MemberSo my ipad is toast, what ANT dongles are people using so i can use my gaming pc instead.
The little, cheap ones on eBay seem to work fine for me and my mates (with extension cable). Haven't tested the range.
Missed last night's TdZ due to putting the youngest to bed, so went on a ride up Leith Hill (Can't remember the name of the circuit). Set myself a reasonably high wattage (300w) to maintain. Was blowing at the end of an hour.
Hopefully the sore throat this morning won't develop anymore as tomorrows TdZ is on the Three Sisters route of Watopia. Should be just over 2 hours of fun. I'm not a natural climber at 6' 4" and 90kg, but enjoy the hills in Zwift for some reason.
Once that is out of the way I will start to look at a training programme to follow to improve my RL climbing. Any suggestions?
300w is awesome power.. Nice.
Today for me is a CatD social at 10:35am just to keep the fat burning sessions going. Tomorrow will be outdoors for 2-3 hours if i can find a nice enough route or two. Sadly it's just too darn muddy for any nice trails at the moment.
Interesting article on the fat burning zone here;
http://road.cc/content/feature/138083-fact-burning-zone-fat-burning-myths-busted
300w sustained, jings.....
I eschewed the TdZ and instead....commuted. Its 18 miles each way.
I was ok, not blazing along, but it is early in the morning/late in the evening and properly outside. I'm pleased to say that I'm maintaining approximately the speed that I had in late summer, more or less, so that can't be bad. Power-wise, Zwifting seems to give me bigger numbers, but there are a whole lot of reasons for that I suppose.
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