It would create more parking space around the Cathedral... 
But the Tappit may also damaged. 
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Has anyone actually got a community out of their cars?
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what I am saying is continental cities are denser ie a lot more high rise and then the countryside is much more sparsely populated.
I agree the countryside is frequently more sparsely populated but I don't agree Continental cities are more high rise. I am just thinking across the large towns and small cities I have worked in across Europe of similar size to to towns and cities in the UK, (not big cities as we have a weird balance in the UK with one big city of London and lots of small cities, no medium sized ones) and they are no more / less high rise than uk large towns / small cities. I think within the large town and cities is primarily a case of decades of incredibly poor town planning.
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Edinburgh is very densely populated and small in physical size. Any point in the city to any other in 40 mins by bike. It has a highish amount of cycle use for a UK city but pitiful by dutch standards
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Edinburgh has hills!
Saying that Cardiff is the flattest city in GB and nt much cycling here either.
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Hmm if the folk clogging up Dunblane with their cars left those cars behind they'd be able to spend more time in The Tappit easing congestion and keeping a good pub open. Win/Win.
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I digress - I want to focus on what I can do to start a community moving out of so many cars....
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The trouble as I see it is there is no real joined-up thinking about
theany problem in this countryFixed that for you
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This shows how the dutch did it. Before this started they had similar rates of cycling to the UK at that time. cycle use here fell, in the netherlands it rose.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7oPosted 11 hours ago # -
Edinburgh is very densely populated and small in physical size. Any point in the city to any other in 40 mins by bike. It has a highish amount of cycle use for a UK city but pitiful by dutch standards
What I noticed this morning while on the bus* is there are fair few cyclists here**.... and that's the problem. They are not just people on bikes, using a bike as a mode of transport to get about. They are full-on cyclists, all the gear and most with the right idea. I think my point is, cycling to get places is still seen by the public as quite abnormal, rather than normal.
*for far too long time and going nowhere fast
**EdinburghPosted 11 hours ago # -
I evicted a family of mice from the spare wheel well of my Astra once, not quite a community but close.
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Funkmasterp I enjoyed that film. I share a van with a workmate. Possibly the only vehicle with 2 people in I see in the day! Not counting school runners. Eco friendly tradesmen hurray!
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johndoh - Member
In Harrogate they have big signs saying 'Beat the Queues, Travel in Twos'.Explains the amount of tits in cars I suppose.
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I don't see what the problem is actually. In 10-15 years we'll all be in electric, self-driving cars. Onward from that it will become illegal to drive a car and then eventually you won't even own a car, you'll just summon one from the collective local compound via your communication device to take you where you want to go.
Won't make a difference, roads will simply be clogged with the same number of self driving cars. Actually more, as they will be driving themselves back to get other pickups instead of spending the day in car parks.
Some government will have to make some unpopular choices at some point in time.
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In Harrogate they have big signs saying 'Beat the Queues, Travel in Twos'. However this doesn't help beat the queues, you just spend time stuck in the same queue but with someone you struggle to keep a conversation going with.
Majority of people in Harrogate are elderly, wedded to their cars, and retired, so spending all day sat in a traffic jam is no issue to them.
To fix it, Harrogate needs...
* Congestion charging
* Buses and trains that are affordable (5 min trips on the train > £3)
* Cycling infrastructure. There's none that I've seen despite a fair number of cyclists on the roads.Posted 1 hour ago # -
Hi Matt,
I think there are some good ideas here. I guess you need to check for your local campaign group. Cycling UK or Sustrans or Cyclescape may help, and get talking to the council.
The infrastructure needs to prioritise the bike, which most places don't. That takes time and money.
Bon Chance
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dmorts - depends somewhat upon the part of the city. southsiude I see a lot more people on bikes rather than full kit cyclists. You do get folk on bikes in ordinary clothes a fair amount as well - 4 folk cycle regularly to my work - one in cycling kit the rest in including me in ordinary clothes and no helmet.
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My Next door neighbour goes everywhere by car, soon her children's legs will drop off. She takes her eldest to school by car.
My next door but one neighbour has a child in the same school (same class) and walks her child to school (unless the weather is awful). These women are both housewives and have the time.
The shops around where we live are independent and about a 5 minute walk away. Neighbour 1. goes in the car, neighbour 2. walks. Aaarrgghhh.Posted 1 hour ago # -
I live about 1km away from my kids school. Easily done on foot or by bike. They are driven to school most days. It is not that I am driving them to school but more the case that I drop them off as I drive to work. I would love to ride them in but I don't have time to ride them in, ride back home get changed then set off to work. They are too young to walk by themselves. Most people with young kids and full time working parents know that time is always tight, especially in the mornings.
My point is before you judge people for apparently driving their kids to school, perhaps consider what else the person may be doing with their car once they have dropped the kids off.
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Frank - 1km = what 12min walking time, is it totally impossible for you to walk too and from school (say 25mins) & then drive to work?
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franksinatra - Member
I live about 1km away from my kids school. Easily done on foot or by bike. They are driven to school most days. It is not that I am driving them to school but more the case that I drop them off as I drive to work. I would love to ride them in but I don't have time to ride them in, ride back home get changed then set off to work..Home to get changed? Into what?
Most of the time there are ways and means to do it, if you really want to do it.Posted 52 minutes ago # -
Frank - 1km = what 12min walking time, is it totally impossible for you to walk too and from school (say 25mins) & then drive to work?
Certainly not impossible very difficult.
25 mins 5 times a week equates about 2 hours. I can't drop the kids off at school any earlier so that means turning up at work later. The result is paying for more childcare, either breakfast club at school or after school club. The financial burden then outweighs the benefit.
I have tried organising walking trains but all of the neighbours with kids of a similar age are in the same position, working parents always in a rush.
Posted 49 minutes ago # -
I don't see what the problem is actually. In 10-15 years we'll all be in electric, self-driving cars
One of the problems is that it will be nothing like as soon as 10-15 years, more like 30 years. So what do you do in the meantime.
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One of the problems is that it will be nothing like as soon as 10-15 years, more like 30 years. So what do you do in the meantime.
I disagree. I'd be very surprised if my kids first cars are not electric. I can see introduction of pay per mile vehicle tax with petrol and diesel cars being significantly more expensive to run. There will be a tipping point
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Frank - you could park near the school the night before and then still walk them in the morning without loosing any time
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Lets not turn this into a why not thread. Am doing me best here in my employer. Stuff we're doing this year
training ride leaders and holding guided commutes in on 'safe' routes
asking people to commit to 1 day per week rather than full time, more achievable and then let them grow into it at their own pace
commuter strava group, looking into seeing if we can get a leaderboard based on number of commutes (distance not relevant in this case)
linking it in to wellbeing and environmental campaigns
Repetition of the message and provision of services/events
partnering with the local big shed cycle retailer to provide vouchers lights etc as incentives and promoting their maintenance services (would also work with LBS's)Posted 35 minutes ago # -
We're still too wedded to the convenience of our cars unfortunately and I don't see too much hope coming from the next generation either. For me a bicycle was first and foremost a means of transport, but one son was put off from cycling to school after being labelled "bike boy" and only one of them used one for getting about whilst at uni - and that's from a pretty cycling favourable family
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you could park near the school the night before and then still walk them in the morning without loosing any time
Of course I could...
.. if I didn't need my car to ge to athletics club, piano lessons, cubs or attend mountain rescue callouts.
Look, I want to see car reduction as much as the next person. When my kids were pre-school I went 12 months car free, I cycled them to nursery with two in a trailer and one on a tagalong (road train with trailer attached to tag along). I use electric pool cars at work. At the weekends we cycle everywhere we possible can. I know the alternatives and how viable they are for me.
I also know that even if I walked the kids in to school, I will still drive past the school 15mins later when driving to work.
Yes, I probably am too tied to the car, and yes, in my heart of hearts I know I could probably drive fewer shorter journeys. But on the school run thing, for now, it is the right option for us.
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franksinatra highlights something that is a real challenge - many of us are in a lifestyle and life choices (commuting etc) that causes real challenges for families.
I do believe that things can change, and there are practical things to be done such as the parking at school area the night before or a boss who understands I am in at 9am not 8:30am etc.
However I cannot impose that on people - they have to me motivated to do it for themselves. A bit like what we did with drink driving a few years back, we need to make sub 1km journeys by car seen as antisocial and unethical...
Posted 26 minutes ago # -
Yeah but you have to accept that it doesn't work for some people.
Also if you focus on a negative you'll harden attitudes, the push against drink driving was (almost) universally accepted as people were being killed by drunk drivers, [safely - which is everyone perceives that that THEY do] driving to get the paper won't cause anyone to die there and then so the imperative isn't there in the same way.
Posted 20 minutes ago # -
4 folk cycle regularly to my work - one in cycling kit the rest in including me in ordinary clothes and no helmet.
Sounds promising! South side too, but about as south as you can go. I find the cycle infrastructure is poor in comparison to the north, e.g. the old railway lines
I'd like to ditch the car. I have a 15 mile commute out of town, via the city bypass. However it's 30-40 mins in the car. 1 hour 37 mins (minimum) using public transport, that's bus-train-bus. Bike-train-bike may get that to 50 mins, looking to try that next week.
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