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1. jambourgie - Member 

   curto80 - Member
   Ok so we are allowed to pick and choose which laws we agree we should comply with, fine.

   But that must mean everyone else is allowed to make the same judgment then?

   Even if their judgment is they want to pass a cyclist way too close or steal their bike or just lob a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window as they sleep.

   Again, context old chap. And common sense

   Would love to have a go on a Molotov Cocktail tho! Not to throw through somebody's window, that would be rude.

   Posted 6 hours ago #
2. funkmasterp - Member 

   Again, context old chap. And common sense

   That’s the thing though, laws need to exist because not everyone is good at the whole context thing.

   Posted 6 hours ago #
3. Edukator - Reformed Troll 

   Fact is lots of schools have 20mph limits and you cited 29mph cleary thinking that was below the limit, tpbiker. You brag about breaking the law at 120mph so I can't see you being overyly concerned about being 71ù over other limits.

   What town do you live in, or county if you're worried about giving away your location. That way we can all check how many 20mph limits there are near you.

   Posted 6 hours ago #
4. jambourgie - Member 

   And yet those people probably won't observe the law anyway...

   ...and here we are again.

   Posted 6 hours ago #
5. bikebouy - Member 

   The whole driving attitude requires a major shift in perception. Driving a car on Public roads should be about the other users on that road first, then you the driver using the same road.

   Roads are for everyone, not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

   If you are unable to abide by those Laws and Regulations then you’ve no right to be on the road, and long may the Law be enforceable on you without sympathy or consideration when abusing those self same Laws that apply to everyone.

   Posted 6 hours ago #
6. jambourgie - Member 

   Driving a car on Public roads should be about the other users on that road first, then you the driver using the same road.

   Agree.

   Roads are for everyone

   Agree

   not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

   Aaaand you've lost me. What. Does. That. Mean?

   Posted 6 hours ago #
7. tpbiker - Member 

   Fact is lots of schools have 20mph limits and you cited 29mph cleary thinking that was below the limit, tpbiker. You brag about breaking the law at 120mph so I can't see you being overyly concerned about being 71ù over other limits.

   Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote.. Or are you just not particularly bright?

   Firstly.. I said 29 in a 30..which is below the limit.. In what was clearly a hypothetical example. Regardless I was citing that was actually dangerous behaviour despite being 'legal'. I struggle to think that wasn't pretty obvious.

   And I wasn't bragging about driving at 120 mph.. I have on numerous occasions on this thread said that I would not do that.. Because I'd be banned. Assume you didn't grasp that point either..

   Posted 5 hours ago #
8. Edukator - Reformed Troll 

   Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote.

   No, tpbiker, here's exactly what you wrote on the previous page, the complete paragraph, no modifications:

   Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

   Posted 5 hours ago #
9. Poopscoop - Member 

   Ok, if the speed limits are too low for some of the drivers on here, where is the huge campaign from the AA, RAC etc etc lobbying the government to increase speed limits?

   Is there a petition online to increase the speed limits, if not why not start one?

   My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

   For that reason alone 70mph is plenty fast enough for me as some divers see it as a discretionary limit only.

   Can't see anything to controversy in any of the above to be honest?

   Posted 5 hours ago #
10. Edukator - Reformed Troll 

    And this on the day that the French government anounces a drop in the national speed limit from 90kmh to 80km in th ehope of saving 300+ lives a year. The Swiss dropped the limit to 80 with a referendum and the improvement that followed is what's encouraged teh french government to lower the limit. As for enforcement, any car on the road could be one of the new radar cars that can radar all the oncoming traffic.

    Posted 5 hours ago #
11. tpbiker - Member 

    No, tpbiker, here's exactly what you wrote on the previous page, the complete paragraph, no modifications:

    Tell me, what is more dangerous.. Me driving at 29 in a 30 at 4pm outside a school.. Or driving on a deserted motorway at 120 in a car that is designed to go far in excess of that.

    Yep.. That's what I wrote..it was clearly a question to make my earlier point.. I also wrote on page 3..

    It's far more dangerous driving at 30 past a school than it is 120 on a deserted 3 lane motorway (in a high performance car).

    Context is everything...

    So.. It's pretty clear I think driving quickly pst schools is not on. And trying to make out I think it's OK is either misrepresentation or demonstrates an inability to read.

    I've also stated numerous times I would not drive at 120 mph... Just that I don't think it's particularly dangerous to do so, dependent on road conditions . I struggle to comprehend how you couldn't work out that was a hypothetical example tbh..

    Posted 4 hours ago #
12. Ramsey Neil - Member 

    But you can't justify one wrong thing by saying something else is worse , hypothetically or not .

    Posted 4 hours ago #
13. CountZero - Member 

    Roads are for everyone, not just those that think they’re entitled to belittle and intimidate by abusing the Laws and Regulations that apply to all users of the road network.

    If you are unable to abide by those Laws and Regulations then you’ve no right to be on the road, and long may the Law be enforceable on you without sympathy or consideration when abusing those self same Laws that apply to everyone.

    
    I assume you include the police in that statement? The number of times I’ve followed police patrol cars at roughly 80mph* on motorways when they aren’t on a call I couldn’t begin to count.
    *No lights or sirens, just cruising with the flow of traffic that’s clearing breaking the law that bikebuoy holds so dear to his fluffy little heart.
    Bless him.
    I truly wish I lived and worked in a place where the motorways only had a couple of trucks every three or four miles, around here on the M4/M5, it’s not unusual to find three, four or five trucks in a row on the inside lane, with one or two sitting in lane two attempting to overtake, very, very slowly, with another small group half a mile ahead. That’s at 6.30am, on occasions!

    Posted 4 hours ago #

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14. Edukator - Reformed Troll 

    I struggle to comprehend how you couldn't work out that was a hypothetical example tbh..

    Because of the word "Me" followed by the word "driving". If it had been "someone driving" I'd have considered the possibility you were talking hypothetically, the "Me" made it unambiguous that you sere the one driving past a school at 29 and doing 120 on the motorway.

    And as Neil notes, even if you were speaking hypothetically you justify one stupid act by claiming it's less stupid than another stupid act.

    Posted 4 hours ago #
15. gauss1777 - Member 

    perfectly safe

    
    I have seen this phrase mentioned a couple of times, what does it mean? Because there is no way I can see that driving at 120 mph could be ‘perfectly safe’. The noise a vehicle travelling at this speed would make is more than enough reason for me to believe it would be unacceptable.

    *No lights or sirens, just cruising with the flow of traffic that’s clearing breaking the law that bikebuoy holds so dear to his fluffy little heart.
    Bless him.

    
    How is it acceptable or necessary in any way for someone, who has as far as I can see has only passionately expressed their opinion, to be insulted? (Apologies if you’re best buddies or something).

    And may I be the first to put my hand up to having never broken any of those 40 laws.

    Posted 4 hours ago #
16. rene59 - Member 

    And may I be the first to put my hand up to having never broken any of those 40 laws.

    Congratulations! You've won a ... zzzzzzzz

    Posted 3 hours ago #
17. squirrelking - Member 

    Edukator, do the decent thing and admit you took his quote out of context. It's alright to admit you were wrong, some people may even respect you for it.

    Anyway, this has gone full STW, life boats are gone so time to bail before this ship goes under.

    Posted 3 hours ago #
18. Cougar - Moderator 

    You can drive tractors on the motorway if they are taxed and fuelled with white diesel. I know because I googled it after seeing two going down the M5 a couple of years ago.

    You can't if they're classed as agricultural vehicles with the DVLA.

    Not all within last year but broken most of these at one point or several points. Can anyone claim they have never broken any of these?

    Half of those aren't laws, they're urban myths.

    My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

    Simply untrue.

    the "Me" made it unambiguous that you sere the one driving past a school at 29 and doing 120 on the motorway.

    Are you new to the concept of examples?

    Posted 3 hours ago #
19. Poopscoop - Member 

    Cougar

    My point being that whatever speed is set as the limit this thread shows that some divers will habitually exceed it. Simple as that.

    Simply untrue.

    You believe that some drivers do not regularly cruise along a motorway at 80+ as an almost default speed?

    Also that drivers do not sometimes lose their licence from multiple speeding convictions, rather than being just silly "once"?

    Posted 2 hours ago #
20. crosshair - Member 

    You can't if they're classed as agricultural vehicles with the DVLA.

    Well yes but you can take an agricultural vehicle and register it thus rendering it fit for motorway use.
    The point being it’s a tax issue not a ‘vehicle’ issue.

    Posted 2 hours ago #
21. mrlebowski - Member 

    Simply untrue.

    Plod would disagree with you on that - quite the opposite in their opinion.

    Posted 2 hours ago #
22. Cougar - Moderator 

    You believe that some drivers do not regularly cruise along a motorway at 80+ as an almost default speed?

    I don't think you wrote what you meant to write here, but as written I completely believe that.

    EDIT: Actually, re-reading I may have misread your original post. Some drivers will speed habitually, but they are the minority, is what I meant.

    Most drivers are more likely to comply with limits they believe are reasonable and ignore ones that they think aren't. If you put a 20mph speed limit on the motorway with no enforcement, almost no-one would obey it. There will always be a few who will drive on the edge of what they think they can get away with, or even just not care, but they are likely to be a minority.

    Google "85th percentile" for further reading.

    Well yes but you can take an agricultural vehicle and register it thus rendering it fit for motorway use.
    The point being it’s a tax issue not a ‘vehicle’ issue.

    Ah, I didn't realise that. Thanks.

    Posted 2 hours ago #
23. Poopscoop - Member 

    Pretty much agree with all that cougar.

    Didn't see that coming!

    Posted 2 hours ago #
24. Cougar - Moderator 

    Did it appear out of nowhere? (-:

    Posted 2 hours ago #
25. Poopscoop - Member 

    Twas like a white Beemer in the rear view mirror.

    Posted 2 hours ago #
26. Daffy - Member 

    There’s nothing inherently dangerous about driving at 120mph. It’s initially shocking if you’ve never done it, but you quickly adapt. So on a deserted road, and assuming a well maintained car, it’s no more dangerous than driving 70 and the Germans clearly think so.

    What’s dangerous is driving at high speed without consideration for other road users who aren’t, and no one, not a single person in this thread has spoken to the contrary.

    So long as those who don’t want to speed aren’t bullied by those that do and so long as those that don’t want to speed simply obey the law rather than attempt to enforce it, just live and let live. Those who speed will get their rewards in due time and I’m sure they’ve made their peace with that choice. Why stress about it?

    Posted 25 minutes ago #

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