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mefty - Member
Its only EU nurses affected by brexit and they have voted with their feet. this is not a prediction. What was a positive supply of nurses from the EU has turned into a net loss of nurses. This is hard fact.
Not according to NHS England figures, number of EU nurses has gone up.
NOpe - that is bollox from cherry picking numbers. Look at the NMC links that shows a huge fall in registrations of 95%.
The number of people from the EEA on the register has decreased by 2733 between September 2016 and September 2017. 1107 people from the EEA joined the register this year, a decrease of 89 percent from the previous year, when 10,178 people from the EEA joined the register. The number of people joining the register from the EEA decreased sharply in the last year, and the number of EEA nurses and midwives leaving the register increased by 67 percent from 2435 last year to 4067 this year.
No it is the official NHS numbers sourced from their spreadsheets all linked on the previous page comparing actual numbers as at June 2017 to June 2016 - just comparison of absolutes.
NOpe - look at the NMC links for the real facts.
YOu are comparing total NHS workforce ie cleaners and porters whereas I am quoting figues for nurses in the UK
The rise in EU workers in the UK is down to an increase in the non registered staff. the registered nurses from the EU has dropped by 95% in a year.
Indisputable fact. stop conflating all NHS staff with registered nurses
Mefty - I cannot find any source in your links to the make up of NHS nuring staff by country of origin - link to the bit you think disproves the NMC? remember the NMC is the regulator. they hold files on every nurse in the UK
so yes we can recruit from other places than the EU but its much more difficult and expensive and the quality of staff is not so good as their training is less.
I wouldn't say that about Jolie, Susan, Gladys, Thomas, Owen & 2 others who's names I don't recall. All from Kerala/Goa working on ITU (staff nurses & upwards)
Don't recall ANY staff nurses on any of the wards Sue was on being from the EU, although ALL the cleaning staff were.
(just been reminded that a nurse called Luda was EU, & very good too)
The NHS can't recruit UK staff with zilch training never mind refreshing non EU nurses.
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Essel - they will have been retrained to UK standards ( if needed - its not always needed dependent on country)
Total NMC registrations are 690,000, total number of nurses in NHS England are less than half of that number so big gap between registrations and actual people doing the job.
My experience from working in the NHS is that EU nurses tend to be ok. NOn eu nurses are either good or awful. I have recently worked with two non eu nurses who are frankly dangerous - the worst I have ever seen. As a visitor you don't see the whole story but without overseas nurses both eu and non eu the nhs would collapse
mefty - MemberTotal NMC registrations are 690,000, total number of nurses in NHS England are less than half of that number so big gap between registrations and actual people doing the job.
NBope - you forget the non nhs workforce which is of similar size ( care homes, agencies, non nhs hospitals). very few people and almost no overseas nurses will pay £120 a year and go thru a very time consuming process to retain registrations if not working and a loss in the total nursing workforce nhs or non nhs impacts on the NHS by creating shoratages
also you are confusing england and UK
If you want to debate this stuff you need to learn a fair bit more
I am not confusing anything, I have been quite clear I have been looking at NHS England data as that is freely available and well presented and quite clearly shows despite all the scare stories the number of nurses from the EU has gone up in the last year. It is all in the data, just follow the links.
I haven't looked at the facts Mefty but as my Mrs has said, recruitment for NHS nurses/staff has dropped dramatically in the last few years (don't need 'facts' when your'e a nurse do you?
However, as I implied, there were more non EU staff (from India) working in the hospital the Mrs Egf worked in/was a patient in, than EU staff.
*I agree/understand that this may be a different situation in other parts of the country.*
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