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jambalaya - Member
Its actually proceeding pretty much exactly as we expected.No, you expected and where told it would be Armageddon.
NOpe - I expected reality and pretty much exactly what happened. Remember we haven't left yet - the disastrous effects we can see are only the beginning.
rEU getting on with planning for an EU without UK as a member — also non-shocker.
I hadn't read this at the time… bad enough to be funny…
https://amp.ft.com/content/7306b972-f49a-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00
David Davies upset that EU advising businesses to include a "no deal" Brexit in their planning…
Lots of stories on Politico about the EU budget planning which is 5 months behind schedule already and the rows are intensifying despite the EU trying to just kick the can down the road. BBC picked up on headline statemet that EU will have a budget black hole of somewhere from €9-13bn to fill with suggestion that 50% will come from soendig cuts (despite eveyone asking for more money for everything from border security to Brexit related impact “compensation”) and 50% from higher contributions / new EU wide taxes (branded as “enviromental levies”)
https://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-calls-for-higher-payments-to-post-brexit-eu-budget/
https://www.politico.eu/article/regions-demand-brexit-compensation-from-eu-budget/
https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-gets-glimpse-of-post-brexit-eu-budget-horrors/
Does that make you happy?
Yes jambalaya, it's a damned shame that the EU will also be paying the price to placate the new God of our time, Brexit.
We lose, they lose. All to try and unify a Tory party! I mean,can you even believe that in hindsight?!
And they try to worry people about having a "Marxist" leader in power!
F****** Great isn't it?
Such a laugh.
NOpe - I expected reality and pretty much exactly what happened.
Nope. You grossly misrepresented the forecasts from the outset, the impact post vote and the likely impact going forward at the macro level and with relation to industries you seem not to understand. You abused the highly skilled members of our negotiating team and insulted their intelligence, while misrepresenting again the manner in which negotiations take place. You also made false claims about stage one of the process and whether progress was possible. Apart from that...
Remember we haven't left yet - the disastrous effects we can see are only the beginning
And continue to do so. There has been little if any “disastrous” effects despite all the uncertainty, indeed the outcome has surprised on the upside with revisions upwards on economic data and economic activity eg manufacturing outperforming expectations. Apart from that....
We lose, they lose. All to try and unify a Tory party! I mean,can you even believe that in hindsight?!
It’s pretty mad a wonky Tory party is causing so much madness.
new EU wide taxes (branded as “enviromental levies”)[/quoteLevies to be introduced on using plastic an excellent idea, plastic bag tax was effective, if the Eu can mitigate loss of UK contribution and reduce plastic pollution that would be brilliant.
There has been little if any “disastrous” effects
Living squeeze thanks to falling £ has sent personal debt, in-work poverty, food bank use, to new highs.
Loss of skilled EU staff in NHS seriously compounding the winter crisis. Real effects hurting the most vulnerable, while average stwer nicely insulated.
George Osbornes, never really had much credibility anyway
Kimbers the issue is all the problems we can see happening with brexit are beneath the attention of tories - its only poor people after all. Some are so ideologically attached to the tories that they can see no wrong and with their narrow life experiences and lack of empathy they cannot actually see the damage.
There has been little if any “disastrous” effects
So there we are - it’s simply a Tory issue!! No surprise. Hence the clouded/myopic judgement (or lack of it on display)
Both major parties are committed to essentially the same result - ok one claims it will deliver a jobs first Brexshit and wanted to trigger A5O much earlier than the other. But wait this is a Tory issue - no, really !!
If it’s the poor who are being affected why are Labour - the conviction party - as committed as the nasty Tories?
Until (if) labours in power they can be as woolly as they like over Brexit.
The referendum campaign, election, DUP dirty deal, economic slowdown, living squeeze, lack of plan, gross incompetence & dishonesty from Davis & Johnson (+ their unsackability) Mays current weakness as even the rabid brexies too terrified of poisoned chalice of being Brexit PM ....all owned by the Tories & their divisions over Europe, no matter how much it divides & weakens the country, the Tories will keep ploughing on with it.
Every mp I'd like to punch is a Tory that probably includes Blair.
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The labour party appears ambivalent to Brexit , but cynically is letting May and the grown-ups make such a hash of it that the Tories will carry the toxic liability for many elections to come . Look how well they did in the last election. No need to take a political stand when your opponents are taking a shotgun to their own feet.
Here is the BBC piece I mentioned (actually from last year and references an EU blog I linked to before)
“Brexit will blow a hole in the EU budget”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40433450
Shortfall from UK leaving is €10bn pa (so €70bn over the budget period) but comission budget head says real gap is twice that at €20bn pa as EU wants / needs to spend more on a number of areas inc border control and DEFENCE.
Unless May surprises everyone and pulls a deal off!
so Jamba - what about the loss of 5% of the NHS workforce since brexit? usually we recruit 40 000 nurses per year from the EU. this year almost none.
“Brexit will blow a hole in the EU budget”
teamhurtmore - Member
Unless May surprises everyone and pulls a deal off
teamhurtmore » Unless May surprises everyone and pulls a deal off!
i think she would surprise even herself...
“Brexit will blow a hole in the EU budget”Does that make you happy?
The labour party appears ambivalent to Brexit
No thinking person can still consider that Corbyn even "appears" ambivalent to Brexit. He might let a few of the smart people around him play games to try and keep things sticky for the Conservatives, but he'll whip his MPs for Brexit when it counts. He's made that clear.
As your criteria for success is a bespoke deal you will be happy with anything
Proof reading (even) might be a good idea?
The deal may and co keep on saying they want is simply not on offer and never going to happen
THM now that you've seen how successful brexit is have you changed your mind about being a remainer?
Does that make you happy?
It’s happenend???
Sorry zippy I missed that....
But no, I have not
The deal may and co keep on saying they want is simply not on offer and never going to happen
Odd that everyone is wasting so much time on this and that Europeans are now talking about the importance of ensuring a wider deal
Still much better to keep making things up to suit the moaner narrative
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