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@golfchick, he’s clearly a Selfish swine of the highest order.
On said course, was also told that traffic accidents with a fatality cost £1m a go on average. Seemed a touch exaggerated but I’m sure all the services attending, investigations, forensics etc., it soon mounts up.
By the same logic, we should say it's morally wrong to participate in anything that could result in a call-out for the emergency services. Cycling for example.
I don't think the same sort of psychological trauma is likely to be involved in treating the average cycling wrist or collarbone as picking someone's body parts out of a crushed car that's hit a tree. And when my mum got the call to come and pick me up because i was in a wrist cast..... i think she was more annoyed at me messing up her timing of the sunday roast than devastated at the loss of her eldest child in an entirely avoidable 'accident'.
But you carry on, it's only yourself you're harming.
rene59 »this speed is not habitualI've been lucky not to get caught before as you can see from my relatively clean endorsement history.
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A sobering fact I was told at a speed awareness course on Saturday (caught doing 36 in a 30 which is embarrassing compared to some of the above)...
If two identical cars doing 70mph and 90mph slam on at the same point, at the point where the car doing 70mph stops (potentially avoiding collision), the car doing 90mph is still doing 70mph. Hitting a fixed object at 70mph is going to hurt.
Basically when braking hard a vehicle sheds a huge amount of its initial speed at the end of the braking phase. Speeding kills kids!
Those that advocate zero speeding tolerance on the motorway, how do you feel when you cross the channel to an 80mph limit. Is it somehow safe because the sign says so?Nah. Loads more people die every year in France on the roads than in the UK. The current proposal is to reduce the limit on main single carriage roads (not motorways) from 90km/h to 80km/h and that's what the French are up in arms about this week (there may be other things that I've missed
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The fact is the French don't really appreciate speed limits.
And 112mph, you deserve a 10yr ban. You should know better
Daft doing that speed, but a ten year ban. Get a grip. It's far more dangerous driving at 30 past a school than it is 120 on a deserted 3 lane motorway (in a high performance car).
Context is everything...
If two identical cars doing 70mph and 90mph slam on at the same point, at the point where the car doing 70mph stops (potentially avoiding collision), the car doing 90mph is still doing 70mph.
That's got to be wrong. So if it takes 5 seconds to stop from 70 then it's gonna be 10 secs from 90? **** I'll have to start braking before I even reach 120!
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If two identical cars doing 70mph and 90mph slam on at the same point, at the point where the car doing 70mph stops (potentially avoiding collision), the car doing 90mph is still doing 70mph. Hitting a fixed object at 70mph is going to hurt.I'm interested what identical cars they base that on. A performance car brakes from 60-0 in about a third the distance of what it states in the highway code.
Where are all these deserted roads we keep hearing about?
By the same logic, we should say it's morally wrong to participate in anything that could result in a call-out for the emergency services. Cycling for example.
theotherjonv - Member - I don't think the same sort of psychological trauma is likely to be involved in treating the average cycling wrist or collarbone as picking someone's body parts out of a crushed car that's hit a tree. And when my mum got the call to come and pick me up because i was in a wrist cast..... i think she was more annoyed at me messing up her timing of the sunday roast than devastated at the loss of her eldest child in an entirely avoidable 'accident'.But you carry on, it's only yourself you're harming.
Actually, I had in mind the poor commuter who goes up the inside of a truck and gets squished. Absolutely disgraceful these cyclists riding around in traffic... think of the poor fireman that has to scoop her up etc etc
I don't speed anymore I think it's selfish,however I do agree with this
Daft doing that speed, but a ten year ban. Get a grip. It's far more dangerous driving at 30 past a school than it is 120 on a deserted 3 lane motorway (in a high performance car).Context is everything...
You didn't say that though, you said 'anyone who participates in anything that could result in a call out for emergency services'
FWIW; seeing as you raised it I think people who drive up the inside of trucks and busses are bellends, just the same as those idiots that drive unsafely and who think it's all about them and their rights and choices.
Less crashes on our motorways than other roads. Very true.
However, if involved in a motorway crash you are far more likely to be critically injured or killed...
Simple reason, speed.
The question is, where do you draw the line? If the limit were 150mph there would still be people that feel the need to get to where they are going at 180mph.
There is no definitive "safe speed" for a motorway or any road but if you want less fatalities the lower the limit the better.
Personally, seeing how some drivers can't even park a car properly, 70mph is fine by me.
Am i prefect,no? Have I ever broken speed limits, yes?
In my youth I was an idiot. At 49 I stick to the limits to the best of my ability only going over slightly due to "speed creep" as you simply can't keep your eye on the speedo all the time.
Personally I think that 100mph+ on a motorways should be a mandatory ban, no ifs, no buts.
Also, just to check, this is a biking forum isn't it? Motorways not withstanding we are some of the most likely to get injured/killed by a reckless driver. Whether that recklessness is speeding or negligence the result can be the same.
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but we aren't talking about reckless drivers, those are other people.
We're talking about driving GODS 
theotherjonv - Member
You didn't say that though, you said 'anyone who participates in anything that could result in a call out for emergency services'
That's why I said 'cycling' rather than 'Mountain Biking'. But fairy muff.
FWIW; seeing as you raised it I think people who drive up the inside of trucks and busses are bellends, just the same as those idiots that drive unsafely and who think it's all about them and their rights and choices.
I wouldn't say they were bellends. Just ignorant. My point being that they are doing something quite dangerous in cycling round a city. Probably more dangerous than driving a car on a deserted motorway at 150mph...
If two identical cars doing 70mph and 90mph slam on at the same point, at the point where the car doing 70mph stops (potentially avoiding collision), the car doing 90mph is still doing 70mph.
I'd like to see a source for that.
Less crashes on our motorways than other roads. Very true.However, if involved in a motorway crash you are far more likely to be critically injured or killed...
Simple reason, speed.
The question is, where do you draw the line? If the limit were 150mph there would still be people that feel the need to get to where they are going at 180mph.
There is no definitive "safe speed" for a motorway or any road but if you want less fatalities the lower the limit the better.
By that logic, we're into the realms of a man with a red flag walking in front of your car. It's all about acceptable risk. Crossing the road carries a risk.
In my youth I was an idiot. At 49 I stick to the limits to the best of my ability only going over slightly due to "speed creep" as you simply can't keep your eye on the speedo all the time.
I can hold a speed quite easily, and can 'feel' speeds like 30 or 70 without needing to look at the dash. And then there's cruise control.
Depends your definition of recklessness though..
Speeding isn't nesecarily reckless or dangerous.
For disclosure.. Been driving 25 years, never had any points... And never done over a ton that I can ever recall. But that's more because I don't want to be banned, rather than I think it's inherently dangerous.
I've driven at 180mph without incident.
I've also been rear ended whilst stationary, twice.
Makes you think.
Possibly, but cycling in a city had a purpose too, to get places. What's the purpose of driving at 150mph on the public highway that can't be achieved by driving at 70, other than selfish amusement?
tpbiker - Member
Depends your definition of recklessness though..Speeding isn't nesecarily reckless or dangerous.
Not necessarily, in theory but given that the faster the speed, if things go wrong they tend to go very wrong where would you set the limit?
Whatever limit you give, people will still say they can drive faster than that, safely.
So you either have a speed limit that some don't agree with or no limit at all?
I personally find boasts about braking speed limits (not necessarily on here by the way guys) akin to people having a laugh because they got home safe after "a few beers" down the pub.
In case there are any keen policemen out there I'd just like to add that I don't drive at silly speeds. My car starts breaking up over 90mph and would need most of the M1 to get up to 100mph.
I'm just siding with the 180MPH'ers on this thread because they're funnier.
180mph through a classroom on the other hand is totally unacceptable.
If two identical cars doing 70mph and 90mph slam on at the same point, at the point where the car doing 70mph stops (potentially avoiding collision), the car doing 90mph is still doing 70mph.very basic calculations would suggest you’d actually be doing about 55mph. Still enough to kill you and the poor bastard you hit, assuming at 70mph you stop just behind the stricken car or whatever whilst at 90mph you plow right into it. If the car is initially doing 100mph then the original assertion would be true I think.
I'm not saying there should not be speed limits. If everyone drove at 100mph all the time regardless of traffic conditions then it would be carnage. I'm frankly staggered that that's not the case on the autobahn. If it was up to me I'd probably bump it up to 80, but no more.
I may have slightly 
broken the speed limit taking the wife to hospital mid labour on wrightyson jnr no 2. Her waters broke 10 yards after getting out of the car. I'd had it 4 weeks, I would have been very upset if I hadn't have gone a bit quickly on that journey. It was 3am, No one around, I might have also rlj'd at a crossroads. Should I burn?
theotherjonv - MemberPossibly, but cycling in a city had a purpose too, to get places. What's the purpose of driving at 150mph on the public highway that can't be achieved by driving at 70
Same purpose as driving at 6mph.
It's a convenience.
It's getting from A to B quickly.
Me saying it's ok to do 180mph is exactly the same as molgrips someone else saying it's ok to do 60mph.
It's selfishness.
wrightyson - MemberShould I burn?
Using the vehicle for the purposes of an ambulance, no?
There was an article posted by the West Midlands traffic police recently which argued that motorists need to now be properly regulated because they cannot be trusted to self-moderate their driving behaviour. They were absolutely right and some of the attitudes on this thread demonstrate why.
I can't think of any other context where systemic criminality is casually accepted like it really doesn't matter and motorists are free to break the law as they please because in their subjective opinion it's not dangerous to drive 112 mph "in context" or because they can't possibly be expected to take responsibility for monitoring their own speed the whole time.
Illegal driving is a huge problem in our society but we can't or won't recognise it and deal with it because it's just not convenient. But you can't cherry pick. If you take the view that the motorist can choose when to comply and when to break the law, that speeding is fine in the right "context", then you shouldn't be surprised when you get close-passed, or an HGV driver jumps a red light, or someone opens a door on you as you cycle past. By accepting that we're allowed to speed we're accepting that road traffic law compliance is entirely voluntary. And that's why our roads are so lawless and dangerous.
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